Subject: Start From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 6 07:54:52 1993 Return-Path: (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ove40-0000y1C; Fri, 5 Nov 93 22:11 EST id N57400W Sat, 6 Nov 1993 02:00:06 GMT From: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com (BOB BERLYN) Subject: Dumb Question #378 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 01:30:37 GMT Message-Id: <9311052200061472@chowda.sbs.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Thanks for all the responses, Bruce (WT1M) Boy it's a small world, sure I know Ray Collins. He gave me my Inst ticket at Marlboro Mass in ...... Well I cant remember the year,,, but it was a while ago. I fly for Trans World Express and am a Captain on an ATR-42, a French made twin engine turbo prop, carries 46 Pax and a crew of three. By the way TWE is a wholly owned subsidiary of TWA. I stopped counting my hours at 10,000 but i'd rather be flying the way you are for FUN. Kevin (WB2EMS) I hear your friend on the hotel rooms all over the Northeast and Midatlantic, thats why I want to take a QRP rig on the road with me. 40 Mtrs is a good band but I think 30 would be better just because the ant size is smaller. Thats a real factor when your trying to pack for 5 days and take a QRP rig with you. Bob (WA7OVU) I have not heard of a J-pole what is it ? Although some Hotel room windows don't open at all, that might be a problem Dennis (N6TTW) Slinky antennas...... hmmmmm intresting, I have seen a couple of articles on them but never paid much attention, I guess I'll have to look that up. I kind of wanted to build an ANT that woluld not require a tuner. I might just have to build me a QRP trans Match to take on the road. I want to try to keep the bulk down as much as possable. BUT I WILL NOT BE DENIED !!! Chuck (K5FO) I agree with you 100 % an effecient ant that will fit in my overnight bag that will get out like gangebusters is all I ask. I will keep you all posted on my quest for the perfect ANT for Hotel room QRP. Ohh one last thin. What Freq's do the QRP/ers hang out on 40 Mtrs ? I hope to chat with all of you on the air. Agn 73 es TNX DE N1PWU ---------------------------------------------------------- Bob Berlyn N1PWU Bob.Berlyn@Chowda.sbs.com Just Me East Greenwich, RI I wish I understood half of what I think I know From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 6 08:38:19 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA13990; Sat, 6 Nov 93 05:38:13 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA26443; Sat, 6 Nov 93 07:38:11 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA28882; Sat, 6 Nov 93 07:38:09 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 07:38:09 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) Message-Id: <9311061338.AA28882@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew Bob, N4AHB, writes: " I never ordered Hawbrew but received a copy in the mail two days ago. Bob N4AHB " Now Bob, that's a heck of way to treat us. :-) Tease us like that. Tell us, what's in it. Do you think it would be worth $20 a year? Inquiring minds wanna know. We just gotta know. :-) Confess and yee shall be forgiven. ciao, SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 6 10:11:18 1993 Return-Path: id AA25884; Sat, 6 Nov 93 07:10:41 PST Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 07:10:41 PST From: dh@deneb.csustan.edu (Doug Hendricks) Message-Id: <9311061510.AA25884@deneb.csustan.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: NorCal Meeting This is the weekend for the NorCal QRP Club meeting. It is at the "California Burger Restaurant" at the Santa Rita Exit on I-580 West of Livermore. Meeting starts at 11:00. Ends ????. bring your NorCal 40 and show us your work. I will miss the meeting as I have to take my daughter to Arcata to visit Humboldt State U. She is a senior and I promised her that she could pick the weekend to visit. She chose this one. Darn. But, my NorCal 40 will be at the meeting, it has a gold case, light yellow panel, and rub on lettering. Also, pre publication copy of Issue #3 of QRPp will be there for you to preview. CUL, 72, Doug From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 7 22:55:59 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA23744; Sun, 7 Nov 93 19:55:53 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA28906; Sun, 7 Nov 93 21:55:44 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA00940; Sun, 7 Nov 93 21:55:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 21:55:43 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) Message-Id: <9311080355.AA00940@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: SS '93 Cc: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com Well gang, it's all part of history now. I really don't know why I take the abuse. I work 16 hr days for a week. Decide to blow off any contesting at all. Get to the ranch on Friday nite, kick off the old shoes, build a fire and just chill out. Didn't even think of turning the rig on. I was a vegetable, probably a radish or a lettuce. Brain dead. Just plain pooped. Saturday morning I run back into the office 'til lunch time to work on setting up a classroom for classes starting this Monday. Spend the afternoon cleaning around the shack. Still haven't touched a rig. Almost had a disaster. The NorCal 40 uses an RCA plug for power. Had the Gel Cell on the desk and moved it. Well, the plug came in contact with one of those fancy dial critters, a fender washer. Almost melted the wire just in an instant. This gonna change. Back to the 12V plug like in the OHR rigs. No problem. So, got to thinking. Hey, AA2U is going to work this contest at a closer distance. This may be the chance of a lifetime. No pain, no gain. OK, SS is the second biggest or third biggest contest of the year for CW ops. #1 is probably the DX TEST, coming up soon (more later). #2 is probably field day in the US and NA. Then SS contest, both CW es SSB. OK, wait, I haven't operated this thing since 1988. No logs or dup sheets. No problem. Down to the desk and make some up with the workstation and laser printer. Good job. ARRL won't mind these puppies. :-) So scramble to set up the NN1G rigs for 40 and 20. I was thinking about just doing 40, my favorite band in the whole universe. So, 0451 call the first station. Now mind you, I'm running 0.95W out on both bands. I'm out gunned and I'm out numbered. The first critter hears me. A 8 in LA? Used to be a 5, but now days, it doesn't matter!! And off I go, frequency hopping like a wild hare. An hour and a half later, I'm dead. Quit for the nite. Nap time. Saw some logs...... Next morning (Sunday), 1427 back on 40. Work two hours, band about dead. OK, let's do 20. Off to 20. On and off 20, then to 40M to finish at 0300. It's a miracle. The only time in the world that so many people are synced with WWV. The band goes from pure mayhem to almost dead quiet. :-) I didn't make 200 contacts. Spent too much time having fun looking for Sections. I needed PAC VI PR AK ND VT CT NLI DE NFL SFL MS SF and WY! Where was florida? I heard one, but he had a pileup. Pete, VE5VA, did you get the MT that you needed? I hope so. In last 45 minutes the section hunting paid off. Saturday nite, I heard a station calling AA2U around 7.015. I couldn' hear Randy. Listened hard, but pileup on him like mad. OK, Sunday 1909Z, there he is on 20. Randy must have been running less power than me. He was the weakest kid on the band all weekend from this qth. I know he has an antenna farm, but no juice headed my way. Randy, how much power were you running? Tell us, inquiring minds just gotta know. He's in the log. Fair and square. QSL in the mail Randy. SASE included, so don't send me one yet. High point of my day, for sure. Thanks Randy. I could have sworn that I heard him laugh when I gave him my NR. He sent his first and I was embarassed to give him mine. An order of magnitude difference. Of course, had I started from the start we would have been neck and neck!! :-) ;-) Good show Randy. Last hour was really a challenge. Had a bunch of sections to go and I was really worried. Had a goal, which I stupidly announced to this group. But ran a string together you would have been proud of. Another high point. Needed SV and LAX in 6 land. Got both, but the hard way. K6FO in SV and AB6FO in LAX!!!! Both within 5 contacts of each other on 40 meters at 0149Z and 0158Z. How did anyone else do? We know that Randy took the QRP division on this one again. Surely he did. Not that many Qs heard here. That's the QRP division of SS. Bunch of good ops. I got a lot of calls memorized and will probably be having dreams in CW for sure now. Randy had a freq locked down. I just hopped, but worked just about everyone that was new to me. What slows this down and not a good contest procedure is that you have to listen to a lot of two way exchanges before you get your chance to peep. CQs are easy to answer, but if exchange in progress you listen to both, just to get both calls and sections to make a decision. Even at 30 to 40 wpm, this takes time. If you want to get your code speed up, this is the contest. Don't be afraid. You can practice by listening to a guys call and exchange til you get it, then call him. It'll be second hand before you know it. The NN1G receivers held up nicely and no complaints from me. Used OHR cap audio filter some, but not all that much. The AGC mod in the K5FO special worked fairly well. (my version of the NN1G with some other goodies to be announced shortly) Sorry, no advance press on this one, until I'm sure. Hold your horses. Peter, VE5VA, wrote me a nice note about working the DX test to rack up the countries for my DXCC on 40M QRP within a year. Pete, I'm going for it. So plans in place to go all out in this one. Any help from others, Randy et.al., I'm open to suggestions. The HF6V comes outta the garage along with the long wire and a beam for 20 should help. OK, too long a posting. I'll be buried again this week. But, I'll be monitoring every chance I get. 73 es gl to all de k5fo NR XXX Q K5FO 58 NTX K dit dit  SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 06:46:33 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311081146.AA07826@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Mon, 8 Nov 1993 3:45:58 -0800 (PST) Date: 8 Nov 1993 07:44:41 +0000 From: "Bob Scott" Subject: Re: Hambrew To: "QRP" Re>Hambrew Charles, you are one up on me. The only thing I have ever received was a card postmarked 17 September thanking me for my subscription. From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 07:38:49 1993 Return-Path: id AA03898; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:41:16 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Nov 1993 07:38:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 07:38:36 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311081238.AA05232@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Re: Hambrew My opinion, and mine only... I bet if the league was publishing this magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 08:58:28 1993 Return-Path: id AA08229; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:05:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:05:40 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311081105.AA08229@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: hambrew Says WB8YGG: >My opinion, and mine only... >I bet if the league was publishing this >magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) Duane WB9OMC From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:16:18 1993 Return-Path: id AA17863; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:16:09 -0500 id AA25562; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:15:34 -0500 id AA23276; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:15:00 -0500 From: Warren E. Lewis Message-Id: <199311081415.AA23276@cardamom.unx.sas.com> Subject: Re: SS '93 To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:14:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311080355.AA00940@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> from "Charles Adams" at Nov 7, 93 09:55:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2175 Chuck, I knew you couldn't stay away!! :-) You should have come up and visited us slow pokes in the Novice sub-bands :-) I worked only 40 and 80 meters because I only tested in the wee morning hours and in the late afternoon and evenings. > How did anyone else do? We know that Randy took the QRP division on > this one again. Surely he did. I did okay for my first real CW contest after Murphy struck during the ARCI QRP contest (lets put it this way I didn't come close to a clean sweep). I'll have to admit I didn't work QRP this time around. I was running about 25 watts. (I know what your thinking!! :-) ) When I get my code speed up and get more experience under my belt I will be turning it farther and farther down. > > Not that many Qs heard here. That's the QRP division of SS. I worked two Qs, one in NNJ and one in EMA. > If you want to get your code speed up, this is the contest. Don't > be afraid. You can practice by listening to a guys call and exchange > til you get it, then call him. It'll be second hand before you know > it. That is the exact method I used until I got some confidence and figured I'd try calling CQ SS myself...boy was that fun I had a pile-up instantly. I worked about 7-8 before the dust settled :-) Not a huge pile-up, but, when you are poking about 10 wpm with the long exchange that's about all that will hang around for you...Only had to ask for a couple of repeats. Not bad for a rookie CW op. Ya know this CW stuff is really a lot of fun, especially when you start to get the hang of it!!! > > OK, too long a posting. I'll be buried again this week. But, > I'll be monitoring every chance I get. Sorry to hear you will be buried...I'm sure, I and a few others on this list look forward to your posts. > > 73 es gl to all de k5fo NR XXX Q K5FO 58 NTX K 73 es tnx fer post de kd4yrn NR XX A KD4YRN NC BK SK de KD4YRN dit dit -- Warren E. Lewis saswel@unx.sas.com Technical Support Division (919) 677-8001 x6542 SAS Institute Inc. PP-ASEL Cary, NC KD4YRN DOD#0021 From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:35:05 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:39:06 EST From: bapplega@isd.csc.com (Bob Applegate) id AA01570 for qrp@Think.COM; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:39:06 EST Message-Id: <9311081439.AA01570@isd.csc.com> To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, saswel@unx.sas.com Subject: Re: SS '93 Cc: qrp@Think.COM I did some QRPing this weekend, but only in the 40 novice band. I worked two other Qs, one in ENY, the other in OH. Nothing to write home about: only 49 QSOs and 23 sections (my dipole is not fit for QRP use: 25 feet above ground). Had fun and will certainly do it again next year (but with a real antenna). 73 Bob, wa2zzx (snj) From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:49:15 1993 Return-Path: id AA08957; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:48:52 MST id AA27055; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:49:07 MST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:49:07 MST From: Doug Datwyler Message-Id: <9311081449.AA27055@moons> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew I was disappointed at first, since it is SMALL and BLACK-WHITE. Some of the articles are not the best, and the software/layout tools weren't used very well. I suspect the publisher (?NAME?) is trying to scrounge up subscriptions. I might stick with it for the year (a suggestion from the XYL) and make comments and suggestions to the people involved. The premise isn't bad, it just wasn't executed very well. Doug Datwyler WR7O datwyler@moons.sim.es.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:50:35 1993 Return-Path: id AA14531; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:50:30 PST id AA17274; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:47:15 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:47:15 PST From: rast@nosc.mil (Howard E. Rast) Message-Id: <9311081447.AA17274@cod> To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: rast@nosc.mil Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please drop my subscription. I don't have time to read all the messages. From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:54:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA14392 for qrp@think.com; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:53:48 -0500 id AA364340 ; Mon, 08 Nov 93 09:41:23 EST Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 14:43:53 GMT Message-Id: <20541@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: QRP In Sweepstakes If you didn't work Zack, KH6CP, who was masquerading at W1AW/QRP, you didn't operate Sweepstakes. 72/73, Jim, KR1S (That's a joke, Chuck. I don't know how you could have missed Connecticut, though....) From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 10:21:54 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311081521.AA16902@Early-Bird.Think.COM> From: es@mvuxb.att.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:04 EST Original-From: mvuxb!es (Edward S Parsons +1 508 960 6722) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: QRP SS Scores Here are some of the QRP SS CW scores I heard last night on 3830. W2GD 814/76 K0FRP 824/75 W9RE 751/76 AA2U 757/75 K1TR 686/76 WA4PGM 667/76 Please send me any others. I'll send out an update when I get a few more. Ed, K1TR es@mvuxb.att.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 10:56:06 1993 Return-Path: by gossip.pyramid.com (5.61/OSx5.1a Pyramid-Internet-Gateway) id AA17002; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:56:10 -0800 id AA05523; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:54:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:54:11 -0800 From: mcronenw@pyramid.com (Mark Cronenwett) Message-Id: <9311081554.AA05523@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Better on Second Contest (SS) Well guess what gang, Mark managed to make the decision that I wanted to put myself through more suffering by entering another CONTEST! Now mind you, the last experience was not all that bad, if you get past the fact that I forgot CW at a crucial moment, and had to start with the code practice over the last couple of weeks to get the ability back. Again I ask, why does anybody do this? :)) I managed to get to the radio about 4 hours after the contest started. Of course this was better in the long run, this was the EVENING after all. Much better for my CW abilities (I now have none remember :)). Well I tune around on 40, and I find a nice pleasant station calling CQ, and strong to boot. KA7W..(naw).X..(can't be)..N.. Not only am I astonished that I can even comprehend all those little rascals, but I can write them down too! :(-) But most of all, this is my dad who is doing the contest. Wow, make a great first contact. What came after is best described as a ROAR. I tried a couple of times to get him, but to no avail. A couple of hours later, I notice that while I am having fun, my contact rate is 3 per DAY?....no silly, HOUR!!! Wow, I had better get going. I am supposed to WIN you know. I ended the contest with 36 contacts, for an average of 1 contact every 12 minutes, or 5 per hour. At times I even got 1 every 4 minutes!! What Joy-Joy feelings that brings. :))) Now I just need to get ready for that ARCI contest that comes in December. I think this contester was born yesterday..:)) Good luck. 72, Mark (14 wpm and increasing) ******************************************************************************** -m-------- Mark Cronenwett Wk: (408)428-9000 x6978 --mm------- Technician Specialist Fax:(408)428-8855 ---mmmm----- Board Analysis and Repair Team Naui AI Z9697 -----mmmmmm--- Pyramid Technology Corporation ------mmmmmmm-- San Jose, California -------mmmmmmmm- mcronenw@pyramid.com KA7ULD(@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) ******************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 11:04:04 1993 id AA05983; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:57 MST id AA00443; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:55 MST id AA01244; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:53 MST Return-Path: id AA09173; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:01:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9311081601.AA09173@azba.sps.mot.com> From: peacock@hermes1.sps.mot.com (Don Peacock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:04:20 MST To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Unsubscribe Thanks for all the good info guys. Don Peacock N7PMN From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 11:19:54 1993 Return-Path: id AA10070; Mon, 8 Nov 93 11:15:43 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 8 Nov 1993 10:16:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 10:16:05 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311081516.AA05454@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM, wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: RE: hambrew > From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:59:29 1993 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:05:40 -0500 > From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) > To: qrp@Think.COM > Subject: RE: hambrew > Content-Length: 234 > > > Says WB8YGG: > > >My opinion, and mine only... > >I bet if the league was publishing this > >magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG > > Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) > > Duane > WB9OMC > > Good Point! Lately I haven't got too much from QST, but I haven't written much lately either. hi hi.. 73 all.. Brad WB8YGG chirp chirp From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 11:36:05 1993 Return-Path: id AA26468 for qrp@think.com; Mon, 8 Nov 93 11:35:52 -0500 id AA364923 ; Mon, 08 Nov 93 11:20:16 EST Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 16:22:27 GMT Message-Id: <20569@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: RE: hambrew Duane, WB9OMC, says: > > Says WB8YGG: > > >My opinion, and mine only... > >I bet if the league was publishing this > >magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG > > Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) > > Duane > WB9OMC > > But Duane's hardly in a position to make such a joke, as his ARRL membership ran out in 1982, according to our records. :> Jim, KR1S -- jkearman@arrl.org From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 11:43:16 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA20468; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:43:08 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA00682; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:43:02 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA01834; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:43:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:43:01 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) Message-Id: <9311081643.AA01834@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: QRP In Sweepstakes Jim, Did I miss Zack or did he miss me? That guy is always at the higher frequencies. Probably scared him to come down into the IR instead of being up there in the Visible light spectrum. :-) I was on 7.045 or thereabouts when WHAM! QST DE W1AW ..... right in the middle of the contest. A schedule is a schedule..... :-) Yep, I missed CT. Next year. 73  SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 12:03:06 1993 Return-Path: <01H52JNLIXTYCJZZE3@tntech.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 11:04:39 CST Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 11:04:39 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: SS To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H52JNLIXU0CJZZE3@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" X-Vms-Cc: JMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT HI, Well Sweepstakes is probably my favorite CW contest.. I like the longer exchange. I somehow messed up and was waiting for it next weekend. I unfortunaley had my whole TV antenna and Satellite systems in various states of repair. I worked non-qrp for a while to test out my 850 and various filters. Got a few minutes only at the end of the contest while doing some soldering repairs I turned on the ARK40.. figured it would be a good test. The 40 meter band was pretty tough.. at times the 500 hz filter on the 850 just didn't do the job and had do use the DSP and tried both the Oak Hills and Tejas audio filters. I was surprised how easy it was to get through on the ARK.. don't have anything but a vertical for 40 meters. I found if I turned on the Audio Filter on the ARK I was able to really only hear the one signal.. found that the push buttons for tuning that sometimes can be a pain, worked real well for contesting...if I can ever get the $25 Superkeyr going.. I can have a tiny contest setup up.. may have to try it from a mountain top in the Smokies. What kinda ranch you have Chuck? 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 13:19:45 1993 Return-Path: by gossip.pyramid.com (5.61/OSx5.1a Pyramid-Internet-Gateway) id AA02823; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:19:54 -0800 id AA13460; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:17:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:17:55 -0800 From: mcronenw@pyramid.com (Mark Cronenwett) Message-Id: <9311081817.AA13460@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: My Account of SS I did not see my posting get posted yet, so I assume it did not make it. Funny, it did not bounce either. My most humble (yeah, right:)) apologies if this is a second time around.. Well guess what gang, Mark managed to make the decision that I wanted to put myself through more suffering by entering another CONTEST! Now mind you, the last experience was not all that bad, if you get past the fact that I forgot CW at a crucial moment, and had to start with the code practice over the last couple of weeks to get the ability back. Again I ask, why does anybody do this? :)) I managed to get to the radio about 4 hours after the contest started. Of course this was better in the long run, this was the EVENING after all. Much better for my CW abilities (I now have none remember :)). Well I tune around on 40, and I find a nice pleasant station calling CQ, and strong to boot. KA7W..(naw).X..(can't be)..N.. Not only am I astonished that I can even comprehend all those little rascals, but I can write them down too! :(-) But most of all, this is my dad who is doing the contest. Wow, make a great first contact. What came after is best described as a ROAR. I tried a couple of times to get him, but to no avail. A couple of hours later, I notice that while I am having fun, my contact rate is 3 per DAY?....no silly, HOUR!!! Wow, I had better get going. I am supposed to WIN you know. I ended the contest with 36 contacts, for an average of 1 contact every 12 minutes, or 5 per hour. At times I even got 1 every 4 minutes!! What Joy-Joy feelings that brings. :))) Now I just need to get ready for that ARCI contest that comes in December. I think this contester was born yesterday..:)) Good luck. 72, Mark (14 wpm and increasing) ******************************************************************************** -m-------- Mark Cronenwett Wk: (408)428-9000 x6978 --mm------- Technician Specialist Fax:(408)428-8855 ---mmmm----- Board Analysis and Repair Team Naui AI Z9697 -----mmmmmm--- Pyramid Technology Corporation ------mmmmmmm-- San Jose, California -------mmmmmmmm- mcronenw@pyramid.com KA7ULD(@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) ******************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 13:32:21 1993 Return-Path: id AA14513; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:32:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:32:12 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311081832.AA14513@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: mail from KR1S Says Jim: >But Duane's hardly in a position to make such a joke, as his >ARRL membership ran out in 1982, according to our records. :> Obviously your records are incomplete. My membership was allowed to expire after a nasty mail exchange with one of the head honchos about that central division election back in those days that stirred up a great controversy. I wrote to HQ that I was quite distressed that some crud regarding that election was done behind closed doors. I expressed distaste that paid up voting members were being kept in the dark. Some (person) wrote back telling me that it was none of my blankety-blank business how the ARRL conducted business. Excuse me? With MY membership dues? Wrongo. That was the end of my involvement with ARRL. I really see no need to get into any greater detail than that, Jim. The QRPer's have more important things to read about. Of course, we can take it to email......not GROUP email.... :-) Duane From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 13:35:02 1993 Return-Path: id AA14531; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:50:30 PST id AA17274; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:47:15 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:47:15 PST From: rast@nosc.mil (Howard E. Rast) Message-Id: <9311081447.AA17274@cod> To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: rast@nosc.mil Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please drop my subscription. I don't have time to read all the messages. From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 13:51:21 1993 Return-Path: id AA08957; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:48:52 MST id AA27055; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:49:07 MST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:49:07 MST From: Doug Datwyler Message-Id: <9311081449.AA27055@moons> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew I was disappointed at first, since it is SMALL and BLACK-WHITE. Some of the articles are not the best, and the software/layout tools weren't used very well. I suspect the publisher (?NAME?) is trying to scrounge up subscriptions. I might stick with it for the year (a suggestion from the XYL) and make comments and suggestions to the people involved. The premise isn't bad, it just wasn't executed very well. Doug Datwyler WR7O datwyler@moons.sim.es.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 14:37:23 1993 Return-Path: (for @think.com.:qrp@think.com ) id AA13546; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:36:41 -0500 From: jlgiasi@umassmed.UMMED.EDU (John L. Luigi Giasi) Message-Id: <9311081936.AA13546@umassmed.UMMED.EDU> Subject: Zing! To: jkearman@arrl.org, qrp@Think.COM Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:36:40 EST In-Reply-To: <20569@jek>; from "Jim Kearman" at Nov 8, 93 4:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] In the message from Jim Kearman........ ->Duane, WB9OMC, says: ->> Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) -> ->But Duane's hardly in a position to make such a joke, as his ->ARRL membership ran out in 1982, according to our records. :> -> ->Jim, KR1S Including the emoticons... it still bears out: League - 1 (actually more like 160,00) WB9OMC - 0 -- John L. Luigi Giasi, AA1AA jlgiasi@umassmed.ummed.edu System Programmer Scientific Computing, IRD University of Massachusetts Medical Center ..._._ From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 14:49:01 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311081521.AA16902@Early-Bird.Think.COM> From: es@mvuxb.att.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:04 EST Original-From: mvuxb!es (Edward S Parsons +1 508 960 6722) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: QRP SS Scores Here are some of the QRP SS CW scores I heard last night on 3830. W2GD 814/76 K0FRP 824/75 W9RE 751/76 AA2U 757/75 K1TR 686/76 WA4PGM 667/76 Please send me any others. I'll send out an update when I get a few more. Ed, K1TR es@mvuxb.att.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 15:04:18 1993 id AA05983; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:57 MST id AA00443; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:55 MST id AA01244; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:03:53 MST Return-Path: id AA09173; Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:01:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9311081601.AA09173@azba.sps.mot.com> From: peacock@hermes1.sps.mot.com (Don Peacock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:04:20 MST To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Unsubscribe Thanks for all the good info guys. Don Peacock N7PMN From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 15:19:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA10070; Mon, 8 Nov 93 11:15:43 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 8 Nov 1993 10:16:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 10:16:05 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311081516.AA05454@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM, wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: RE: hambrew > From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 09:59:29 1993 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:05:40 -0500 > From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) > To: qrp@Think.COM > Subject: RE: hambrew > Content-Length: 234 > > > Says WB8YGG: > > >My opinion, and mine only... > >I bet if the league was publishing this > >magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG > > Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) > > Duane > WB9OMC > > Good Point! Lately I haven't got too much from QST, but I haven't written much lately either. hi hi.. 73 all.. Brad WB8YGG chirp chirp From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 15:23:46 1993 Return-Path: by gossip.pyramid.com (5.61/OSx5.1a Pyramid-Internet-Gateway) id AA17002; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:56:10 -0800 id AA05523; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:54:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:54:11 -0800 From: mcronenw@pyramid.com (Mark Cronenwett) Message-Id: <9311081554.AA05523@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Better on Second Contest (SS) Well guess what gang, Mark managed to make the decision that I wanted to put myself through more suffering by entering another CONTEST! Now mind you, the last experience was not all that bad, if you get past the fact that I forgot CW at a crucial moment, and had to start with the code practice over the last couple of weeks to get the ability back. Again I ask, why does anybody do this? :)) I managed to get to the radio about 4 hours after the contest started. Of course this was better in the long run, this was the EVENING after all. Much better for my CW abilities (I now have none remember :)). Well I tune around on 40, and I find a nice pleasant station calling CQ, and strong to boot. KA7W..(naw).X..(can't be)..N.. Not only am I astonished that I can even comprehend all those little rascals, but I can write them down too! :(-) But most of all, this is my dad who is doing the contest. Wow, make a great first contact. What came after is best described as a ROAR. I tried a couple of times to get him, but to no avail. A couple of hours later, I notice that while I am having fun, my contact rate is 3 per DAY?....no silly, HOUR!!! Wow, I had better get going. I am supposed to WIN you know. I ended the contest with 36 contacts, for an average of 1 contact every 12 minutes, or 5 per hour. At times I even got 1 every 4 minutes!! What Joy-Joy feelings that brings. :))) Now I just need to get ready for that ARCI contest that comes in December. I think this contester was born yesterday..:)) Good luck. 72, Mark (14 wpm and increasing) ******************************************************************************** -m-------- Mark Cronenwett Wk: (408)428-9000 x6978 --mm------- Technician Specialist Fax:(408)428-8855 ---mmmm----- Board Analysis and Repair Team Naui AI Z9697 -----mmmmmm--- Pyramid Technology Corporation ------mmmmmmm-- San Jose, California -------mmmmmmmm- mcronenw@pyramid.com KA7ULD(@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) ******************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 15:48:03 1993 Return-Path: id AA28461; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:47:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:47:57 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311082047.AA28461@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: qrp in general I have the distinct feeling that most of y'all are dedicated CW QRPers. (and most of the construction projects I see are CW related) Anybody out there doing SSB or FM QRP work? Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 15:55:51 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:49:03 EST From: Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew Message-Id: <9311081549.aa14971@FSAC3.PICA.ARMY.MIL> Ok you guys, now that you got my interest, that's the table of contents for this newly launched mag??? Is it bigger then Sprat??? Inquiring mimes want to know WA2unn From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 16:16:10 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20182; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:15:58 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 161505.9469; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:15:05 EST id AA10966; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:51:06 EST From: jpo@acd4.acd.com ( Jim Osburn ) Message-Id: <9311081951.AA10966@IEDV5.acd.com> Subject: Video To: qrp@Think.COM (QRP Mailing List) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:51:04 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] If I had a video camera, which I don't, I would make a QRP video. I would include descriptions of the latest models of rigs. I would particularly show the insides of the rigs. I would show a kit under construction. I would show a homebrew rig under construction. I would show operating procedures. And I would show and describe the various publications available. I would take my video camera to Field Day and show that too. I might also interview famous QRP people at the Dayton hamfest. I would then make about 100 copies of the video and sell them at hamfests. I would also sell them to subscribers of this QRP mailing list. If those 100 go quickly, I would make more copies and put ads out. I wouldn't do it to make money, I would do it to inform people about QRP. But I don't have a video camera. Maybe someone else will be inspired to make "QRP - The Video". Then I could just buy a copy. 73, Jim, WD9EYB From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 16:28:27 1993 Return-Path: <01H52SU3E6P2CJZZE3@tntech.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:29:31 CST Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 15:29:31 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: other opinion To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H52SU3E6P4CJZZE3@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > Says WB8YGG: > > > > >My opinion, and mine only... > > >I bet if the league was publishing this > > >magazine, that all that ordered would have it. 73 Brad WB8YGG > > > > Maybe so, but would it have anything in it of value? :-) :-) :-) > > > > Duane > > WB9OMC > > > > > Good Point! Lately I haven't got too much from QST, but I haven't > written much lately either. hi hi.. > > 73 all.. Brad WB8YGG chirp chirp Well started out and wrote a note, then scratched it. I love to read ham radio magazines, or use to. I use to enjoy CW and 73.. I won't renew either. I find that MUCH (not all) of what in them is garbage. Many of the regular columns are written off the top of the author's heads and read about the same. I must have missed a significant part of my Ham career because I just am not in love with Baluns, don't like to read about them.. but most of CQ in the last year is about baluns. The packet section is a bunch of bunko. I may not be interested in everything or anything in a few QST issues in a row, but get my money's worth from the league on the magazine alone. I think the publication is a lot more professional and much more time and effort goes into. Much of the CQ and 73 is of lower quality writing. I think a given author can spend an hour on an article for 73 or CQ that wouldn't come close to being published in QST. I liked QST so much that it became a goal to get something in the magazine. If I had my choice of spending 3-6 months developing an article QST is always my first choice for getting it published. Now don't get me wrong... there is a LOT of GOOD stuff in CQ and 73.. but not anywhere near as regular as in QST. Well thems my opinion... should learn to keep my mouth shut..but somehow the little dig about QST really got my goat. 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 16:29:28 1993 Return-Path: id AA05407 for qrp@think.com; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:28:55 -0500 id AA365904 ; Mon, 08 Nov 93 16:12:03 EST Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 21:16:54 GMT Message-Id: <20689@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Anyone know this guy? >From wildcat.mailroom@chowda.sbs.com Mon Nov 08 21:07:07 1993 id AA20675 ; Mon, 08 Nov 93 21:07:05 GMT >From POP3@uu2.psi.com. Mon Nov 08 15:55:36 1993 id AA01807 for poparrl; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:04:35 -0500 (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14022; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:04:23 -0500 (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0owdUp-0004bZC; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:47 EST id N95700W Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:25:23 GMT From: wildcat.mailroom@chowda.sbs.com (WILDCAT.MAILROOM) Subject: QRP In Sweepstakes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 18:43:53 GMT Message-Id: <9311081525231551@chowda.sbs.com> To: jkearman@arrl.org Original To: BOB BERLYN Original Subject: QRP In Sweepstakes From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) Subject: QRP In Sweepstakes Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 14:43:53 GMT To: bob.berlyn Message-Id: <20541@jek> The user "BOB BERLYN" does not exist at CHOWDA.SBS.COM From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 16:59:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA29456; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:59:16 EST id AA15705; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:59:43 EST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:59:43 EST From: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) Message-Id: <9311082159.AA15705@pd2> To: qrp@Think.COM, wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Re: qrp in general I'm in the process of building a cw/ssb transceiver designed by w7zoi. I think it is from qst a year or two ago. I'll see you on ssb when I get it built (if ever). Along those lines, it has an I.F. amplifier by NEC. The exact type I can't remember (NEC 99 something). Anyway, any of you QRPers know where I can get NEC parts? Not just for this, but future projects also. Seems like this group is mainly related to operating rather than building??? Regarding the SS contest. I did as poorly as any. I got on 20 meters cw and produced 14 contacts with 3 watts. Doug, N4IJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 17:36:09 1993 Return-Path: 8 Nov 93 14:36 PST To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: qrp in general Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 14:35:59 -0800 From: Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG Message-Id: <9311081436.aa10693@paris.ics.uci.edu> Duane (WB9OMC) asks about QRP SSB or FM work..... Just to mention, I am a fairly active QRP SSB guy, and I mostly ragchew over on 40 meters. I have occasionally gotten into the local DX WAS nets on 40 and 75 to net the awards, but love to talk more than exchange reports (but the exchanging reports is fine work too). I have been working the Aussies and that area fairly regularly on 40 SSB with about 5 watts PEP SSB in the evenings, but the latest Santa Ana winds (that burned a lot of us out down here) took some of my wires down. I am a little underactive for the time being. Just netted an old Argonaut 505 and will fire up that baby with a lantern battery when I get it. Listen for me around 7200-7245 after 0400 UTC. Clark WA3JPG From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 17:36:57 1993 Return-Path: by gossip.pyramid.com (5.61/OSx5.1a Pyramid-Internet-Gateway) id AA23645; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:37:00 -0800 id AA29581; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:35:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:35:02 -0800 From: mcronenw@pyramid.com (Mark Cronenwett) Message-Id: <9311082235.AA29581@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: QRP in general Well, Duane I am one that is working on that very subject (SSB) I need a radio that I can leave in my Jeep that people would not even think of taking. I have some neat things to try, and I even have most of the parts. This is just a bad time of year for me to start building. If you have any ideas that you would like to share, or want to see mine, just give me a holler. Anybody else have any QRP SSB designs that I could use? How about plans? I need lots 'o help here. 27, Mark ******************************************************************************** -m-------- Mark Cronenwett Wk: (408)428-9000 x6978 --mm------- Technician Specialist Fax:(408)428-8855 ---mmmm----- Board Analysis and Repair Team Naui AI Z9697 -----mmmmmm--- Pyramid Technology Corporation ------mmmmmmm-- San Jose, California -------mmmmmmmm- mcronenw@pyramid.com KA7ULD(@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) ******************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 17:38:23 1993 Return-Path: id AA24863; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:38:35 EST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:38:35 EST From: majewski@erim.org (Ron Majewski) Message-Id: <9311082238.AA24863@spsd630a.erim.org> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: another SS story Hello to everyone on the list! I'm still riding the contest excitement and it's after 5pm, so I thought I'd join in and share my contest experience. CW contests are always a blast! It's a great opportunity to move my code speed up a few notches. I also enjoy listening and going to school on the big boys as they smoothly rack up contact after contact. Class is in session for the next 24hrs! :) I am in the process of getting a station set up for my younger brother who has relocated to American Samoa for two years, so I ran the rig as he will -- 100w with an R7 antenna mounted 5ft off the ground in the backyard. (I know -- Boo! Hiss!) I wanted to get a feel for how the station played under battle conditions. I was very favorably impressed with the R7 performance on the contest bands. I could work anything I could hear, 95% of the time on the first call. My operating approach was to start at the top of the extra portion and tune upward, working each station in turn. In the end, I made 112 contacts in 54 sections over the course of 5hrs of operation. 40mtrs was really hot Saturday night -- I worked Puerto Rico and six Californians. I used k8cc's NA software to do the logging, but sent and received by hand (Chuck -- I had the pen in my sending hand at all times!). I only had two stations give me a precedence of "Q" -- ad6t and w0hep. I also worked w6isq -- John Troster of QST fame. He was in the 700's as far as QSO's go. A very enjoyable test at my QTH. Just wait until next year ... 73! Ron (wb8ruq). From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 17:58:57 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA04517; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:58:51 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA02560; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:58:46 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA02984; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:58:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:58:45 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) Message-Id: <9311082258.AA02984@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: SSB Construction Duane, WB9OMC, writes inquiring about SSB and FM projects. Yes, it seems like we all love CW, but that's just not true. The problem with SSB and FM is the increased cost and complexity of design, parts counts, PC boards, and on and on goes the list. Rumor has it that several people are working on getting kits out, but they just might be too expensive for the average QRPer. Money is always an object it seems. CW only rigs are easy to design and fast to build. If people can compete against the price of a used ICOM, KENWOOD, YAESU, or whatever, then we might see some interest gained in this area. Doug DeMaw in his book, in the last few chapters, talks about DSB generation, but the elimination of one sideband is another topic. Time will tell on this issue. 73 de k5fo dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 18:05:00 1993 Return-Path: Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:04 EST for Think.COM!qrp id m0owfbO-0000tGC; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:02 EST Message-Id: From: andrews@fms.com (Andrew Sargent N8OFS) Subject: test posting... To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp ) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 18:02:22 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: andrews@telemax.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 336 This is a test posting to see if I can make the reflector... -- Tell Me Something I Don't Know, ! HAM = N8OFS Show Me Something I Can Use, ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT Push The Buttons, ! CB = THE NEON KNIGHT Connect The God-Damn Dots!!! - Ministry ! HACKER = TH3 N30N KN16Ht From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 18:26:26 1993 Return-Path: id AA18464; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:26:20 PST id AA24422; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:26:19 PST id AA00905; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:27:35 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:27:35 PST From: Raymond.Anderson@EBay.Sun.COM (Ray Anderson) Message-Id: <9311082327.AA00905@uranium.EBay.Sun.COM> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: NEC parts source Doug, N4IJ writes: >I'm in the process of building a cw/ssb transceiver designed by w7zoi. I >think it is from qst a year or two ago. I'll see you on ssb when I get it >built (if ever). Along those lines, it has an I.F. amplifier by NEC. The >exact type I can't remember (NEC 99 something). Anyway, any of you QRPers >know where I can get NEC parts? Not just for this, but future projects also. >Seems like this group is mainly related to operating rather than building??? > Regarding the SS contest. I did as poorly as any. I got on 20 meters >cw and produced 14 contacts with 3 watts. > Doug, N4IJ Regarding the source for NEC parts, I've had good luck with CEL (California Eastern Labs) who is NEC's US distributor. Their main phone # is (408) 988 3500 in Santa Clara, Calif. Down in 4-land you might try (404)446-7300 in Norcross, GA or (813) 347-8066 in St. Petersburg, FL. Don't know what their policy is these days on small quantity orders but I bought in quantities of 10-20 before with no problem. They also seem to be pretty liberal with their samples... especially if they sense a bigger order.. Good luck. BTW: No, I don't work for NEC or CEL or have stock in the company. Just a user of their products. Ray WB6TPU raymonda@uranium.ebay.sun.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 18:41:29 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311082341.AA12285@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Mon, 08 Nov 93 18:41:04 EST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:40:44 PST From: mont@ibmmail.COM To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: SSB & FM QRP Duane writes: > I have the distinct feeling that most of y'all are dedicated CW QRPers. > (and most of the construction projects I see are CW related) > Anybody out there doing SSB or FM QRP work? I am very interested in doing qrp ssb and fm. I'm working on one project using the DDS VFO from the 73 mag Techno Whizzy articles to build a general coverage CW/SSB/AM(?) tranceiver. Another project I'd like to do is a very tiny vhf fm repeater. Small enough and cheap enough to attach to a few helium party balloons. Progress is real slow, I gotta work for a living too and these are sort of ambitious projects. Oh well... 73, mont - km6wt, From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 20:05:47 1993 Return-Path: id AA00118; Mon, 8 Nov 93 20:05:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 20:05:41 -0500 From: jrj@mbunix.mitre.org (James R. Johns) Message-Id: <9311090105.AA00118@mbunix.mitre.org> Posted-From: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew I received a copy of Hambrew in today's mail. At first glance it looks a lot like Sprat in size and paper/print format. While it is produced in black and white, the quality of the photos is excellent with sharp contrast. It is 48 pages in length (counting the front and back covers) and while not "super technical" offers material on everything from antennas to balloon telemetry to a simple 30 Meter QRP transmitter. For $20 a year, if they can continue to collect good material from the ham community, it should be worth the investment. My approach to value assessment may be a bit different than some others on the net. I figure that if I can get just one good idea or bit of new technical knowledge from any seminar or magazine then that investment was worth the cost of admission. If anyone is interested in the table-of-contents drop me an Email and I'll type it into the computer and Email it out. 73 & 72 Jim Johns KA0IQT jrjohns@mitre.org The comments above represent my opinions and I have no association with the magazine except as an interested reader. From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 22:13:51 1993 Return-Path: 8 Nov 93 19:13 PST To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: SSB & FM QRP Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 19:13:39 -0800 From: Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG Message-Id: <9311081913.aa24023@paris.ics.uci.edu> Ahhh... on the focus of SSB / FM construction... Chuck is right, the darned price, complexity and availability limitations are big. The latest project I have seen that excited me was the KK7B (Campbell) R2/T2 project. Takes a looooong time to get the boards, but they are real nice. Makes the SSB transceiver a possibility for me on my workbench. I am very slowly aggregating parts, and looking for partners for this project (even if at long distance). And, on the horizon, MFJ is talking about SSB QRP transceivers coming soon, and even Ramsey promises a SSB/CW transceiver kit (for "less than $300"......) soon. We'll see. I wonder if we could convince Ten Tec to try to work their way into this market - they have the experience and knowledge, but have rarely done well in price competition. Clark WA3JPG From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 8 22:51:08 1993 Return-Path: Mon, 8 Nov 93 22:50 EST for Think.COM!qrp id m0owk4z-0000jPC; Mon, 8 Nov 93 22:49 EST Message-Id: From: andrews@fms.com (Andrew Sargent N8OFS) Subject: Need qrp Schematics (please) To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp ) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 22:49:17 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: andrews@telemax.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1022 Hello group or gang, I have a copy of the colorburst xtal qrp xmiter and the 2m qrp xtal xmiter using 72 Mhz rocks. I want more schematics and paperwork for qrp rigs. I gave a copy of the above mentioned qrp rigs to K8TV (the pres of a local club) and he was so impressed he built the colorburst rig in 10 minutes while I was standing there and had it working (he didn't work anybody though). Anyway, please, please, please send me schematics and directions of qrp rigs all of us can build. This is a good way to get No-Coders to build something rather than talk on their HTX-202's without knowing the first thing about RF! I'll try to send a copy of the newsletter with the rig in it to the orrigionator or sender. Damn, I'm long winded... -- Tell Me Something I Don't Know, ! HAM = N8OFS Show Me Something I Can Use, ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT Push The Buttons, ! CB = THE NEON KNIGHT Connect The God-Damn Dots!!! - Ministry ! HACKER = TH3 N30N KN16Ht From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 00:12:29 1993 Return-Path: id AA04866; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:12:18 HST id AA15963; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:12:16 HST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:12:16 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: projects 1-10 Message-Id: This is embarrassing to ask: I have deleted all 10 projects that I earlier posted (gad, all that work!). If any of you have saved them would you please send me any and all? I am constantly getting requests for them. Thanks so much. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 00:41:55 1993 Return-Path: id AA23804; Tue, 9 Nov 93 00:41:54 EST for QRp@Think.COM From: Brian Paul Wilde id AA76665; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 00:41:50 -0500 for QRp@Think.COM Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 00:41:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9311090541.AA76665@localhost> To: QRp@Think.COM Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from this listserver. Thanks, and 73's Brian Wilde N2OWD From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 01:51:49 1993 Return-Path: id AA14176; Mon, 8 Nov 93 20:51:44 HST id AA19401; Mon, 8 Nov 93 20:51:42 HST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 20:51:42 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: just projects 1-4 Message-Id: Sorry! I just recovered projects 5-10 on r.r.a.homebrew - I had put extra long expiration dates on those articles. Just need 1-4: Let's see, #1 was a 40M xmtr, #2 was a 20M xmtr, #3 was 15M?? and I guess #4 was for 80M?? Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 06:32:21 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311091132.AA09097@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Tue, 9 Nov 1993 3:31:49 -0800 (PST) Date: 9 Nov 1993 06:30:09 +0000 From: "Bob Scott" Subject: Hambrew To: "QRP" Hambrew Received my copy yesterday. I just had time to skim it, but I have to admit being a little disappointed. I will withhold final judgement for a couple of issues. 73 Bob AC4QO From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 07:55:09 1993 9 Nov 93 7:55 EST id AA16870; Tue, 9 Nov 93 07:55:03 EST Posted-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 07:55:00 EST Return-Path: id AA09666; Tue, 9 Nov 93 07:55:00 EST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 07:55:00 EST From: rjl3f@sycamore.cs.virginia.edu Message-Id: <9311091255.AA09666@sycamore.cs.Virginia.EDU> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE:Hambrew Sorry to leave everyone on the edge of their seats. Here is the table of contents for Hambrew. Leters 4 Kit Review: The Ramsey 30 Meter Transmitter 5 Zapp The DX With The Zapper 7 Variable Bandpass Audio Filter 12 Wires And Pliers: Voltage Regulator 15 New Products 16 The NorthWest QRP Club "30-30" CW Transmitter 18 Edge Of Space Sciences: Homebrew Aloft! 20 Foamcore Enclosure Construction 21 Ballon Telemetry Engine 23 Counterpoise And The Antenna 32 Practical Antenna Applications: Parallel Dipoles 33 The Two-Wheelers' Highway Headset With Handlebar PTT 35 Shack Shots 45 Classified Ads 46 I was a little disappointed in the magazine's contents but I have no right to complain since mine came for free. Since the magazine is only published quarterly, $5 per issue seems pretty steep (but then again I'm a graduate student, not a high paid engineer). I should mention that of the 48 pages, encluding the cover, there are less that 40 that actually have articles. One positive note, subscribers may post one 15 word ad per issue that is free of charge. 25 cents for each extra word. I think my money was better spent buying some of the QRP books from the ARRL. Bob N4AHB From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 08:06:57 1993 Return-Path: id AA26876; Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:06:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:06:54 -0500 From: jrj@mbunix.mitre.org (James R. Johns) Message-Id: <9311091306.AA26876@mbunix.mitre.org> Posted-From: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew Table of Contents Since several have asked for the table of contents for hambrew magazine, I decided to post it to the group. Any typos or other errors are probably mine. Hambrew Vol 1, No 1 Autumn 1993 Contents Letters Kit Review: The Ramsey 30 Meter Transmitter Zap the DX With The Zapper Variable Bandpass Audio Filter Wires and Pliers: Voltage Regulator New Products The NorthWest QRP Club "30-30" CW Transmitter Edge of Space Sciences: Homebrew Aloft! Foamcore Enclosure Construction Balloon Telemetry Engine Counterpoise and the Antenna Practical Antenna Applications: Parallel Dipoles The Two-Wheelers' Highway Headset with Handlebar PTT Shack Shots Classified Ads Hambrew - Published by Smoking Pencil & Co. P.O. Box 260083 Lakewood, CO 80226-0083 Ads & Subscriptions 1-800-5HAMRIG Editorial Office 303-989-5642 Published Quarterly Hope this helps. 73 & 72 James R. Johns KA0IQT jrjohns@mitre.org I have no association with Hambrew other than as a reader of the magazine and any opinions expressed are my own. From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 09:29:34 1993 Return-Path: id AA04798; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:29:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:29:29 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311091429.AA04798@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: vocal qrp Thanks to everyone who responded on the issue of voice QRP. It does sound like there is some interest out there, so let's stay tuned to that - it also sounds like there may be some kits forthcoming to meet that interest. Another thorny question - has anyone ever done a CB-to-10M modification of something low powered for use as SSB QRP? Seems like an idea that has potential..... I'm also curious to find out what sort of antennas a lot of y'all are using, and what kind of feedline (especially the feedline) you use to keep feed losses down. From playing around with my HR2510 it does seem all too obvious that getting a good match between radio and feedline and from feedline to antenna makes a BIG world of difference. Being an apartment dweller, I am sort of "stuck" with certain rules about what I can and can't do. I'm sure a lot of other folks have run into this "limited choice" scenario as well. Running QRP, or perhaps to satisfy the purists, a reduced power level (e.g., <25 watts) allows us to make use of more kinds of things as antennas, and at the same time the lessening of power may ease some of the TVI problems. Thoughts? Duane From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 09:30:15 1993 Return-Path: <01H53SNVLMYKCK0HLT@tntech.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 08:31:07 CST Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 08:31:07 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: NorCal 40 To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H53SNVLWLQCK0HLT@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" X-Vms-Cc: JMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yeah, finally got my kit last night. Tell ya guys and gals.. I am imressed. Wish I could get this group to move to Tenn. I would give anything to have a QRP group here. The case and silk screened board looked better than some of the so called professional. The docs were real nice (except for the part id sheet). I was originally going to build this for a local new ham (who I have already loaned a whole QRP set up).. may have to keep this.. can't believe how small it is.. just happen to have a nice labelling machine at work also. Thanks guys.. sure glad that a hick from the sticks in Tenn. is able to be part of the NorCal group.. may have to plan a family vacation out there and then head for Oregon.. hard part would be bringing all my kits and arranging it so I get to attend a real QRP club meeting. What about it guys.. Tennessee is a great place to live. 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 09:48:04 1993 Return-Path: <@batdd6.pica.army.mil:klaudon@batdd6> 9 Nov 93 9:42 EST id AA05680; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:39:50 EST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:39:50 EST From: klaudon@PICA.ARMY.MIL Message-Id: <9311091439.AA05680@batdd6.batdd1.pica.army.mil> To: jpo@acd4.acd.com Subject: Re: Video Cc: qrp@Think.COM >If I had a video camera, which I don't, I would make a QRP video. > >I would include descriptions of the latest models of rigs. >I would particularly show the insides of the rigs. >I would show a kit under construction. >I would show a homebrew rig under construction. >I would show operating procedures. >And I would show and describe the various publications available. >I would take my video camera to Field Day and show that too. >I might also interview famous QRP people at the Dayton hamfest. > >I would then make about 100 copies of the video and sell them >at hamfests. I would also sell them to subscribers of this QRP mailing list. >If those 100 go quickly, I would make more copies and put ads out. >I wouldn't do it to make money, I would do it to inform people about QRP. > >But I don't have a video camera. >Maybe someone else will be inspired to make "QRP - The Video". >Then I could just buy a copy. > >73, > >Jim, WD9EYB > I would then send it to ARRL so that W1AW could broadcast it out to the world using QRP SSTV. Or even QRP WBTV on whatever mm band we're allowed to do that on, if any. I would include interviews with the best and worst dressed QRPers (men only - we would want to keep it clean!). I would include interviews with the shortest and tallest QRPers known to exist. They would stand side by side, perhaps with the shortest one standing on a stack of ARRL Handbooks so that they are on the same level. For humor, the interview could be conducted next to a tower, with the interviewer standing one or two rungs up, holding on with one hand, and using the other to hold the extension mike up to Chuck's mouth and whoever else is the short guy. Someone lend Jim a video camera (I don't have one, either), and go for it, Jim! 72, Kalman (not tall, not short, dressed from Sears and K-Mart, and otherwise totally unremarkable) #: } ------------------------------ Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land ------------------------------ From bruce@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 09:48:22 1993 Return-Path: From: Bruce Walker id AA04855; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:48:33 EST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:48:33 EST Message-Id: <9311091448.AA04855@zarathustra> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: list volume Content-Length: 958 A number of you have complained (or left the list) about the QRP list volume, which like all discussion lists, goes in spurts. Several present and past subscribers have suggested a digest subscription, where those who wanted to would receive only one piece of mail per day containing all the day's QRP messages. Those who would like to continue to receive messages as they come in would be able to do so. I have decided to do this, and I am currently evaluating which of several possible software approaches to use. This might not happen for several weeks, since I am going on vacation late next week. I just wanted to let those who are bothered by the number of messages per day to know that relief will be on the way by the end of the year. Please don't tell me yet whether you want digests or piecemeal mail; I'll send out an announcement when it's available. Thanks to Paul, KD6LAA, who even suppled some scripts to do the digests. --bruce WT1M From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 10:55:57 1993 Return-Path: From: g-taylor4@tamu.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.931109095446.384; 09 Nov 93 09:55:23 +600 Message-Id: To: QRP@Think.COM >From: TAEX003N!GTAYLOR Date: 9 Nov 93 09:54:30 CDT Subject: SS Reply-To: g-taylor4@tamu.edu X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1c R5. Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1251 Had a blast in time available.Got in about 8 hours with 209 Qs and 63 sections. Don't know if I just didn't spend enough time, its the general decline in propagation with the cycle, or it was the weekend just didn't have good propagation (I been going too many different directions lately to keep up) but my section count seems low relative to past years. Did notice that KH2/N6OP was not booming in as in previous years and KL7 was weak also. Ten meters also not good for much here. Saturday evening the rate really went down with the MUF but on Sunday was able to hit stretches of 40/hour. With a G5RV at 25 ft and 5 watts I know its tough copy so think there are some really first class operators out there that spent the time to dig me out. 72, Greg KD4HZ ****************************************************************************** Dr. Gregory S. Taylor !MAIL: 110 Dairy Science Building Extension Program Leader for ! College Station, TX 77843-2124 Community Development !VOICE: 409-845-4445 Texas Agricultural Extension Service!FAX: 409-847-8744 Texas A&M University System !EMAIL: Reply or g-taylor4@tamu.edu ****************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 11:18:23 1993 Return-Path: id AA06944; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 11:18:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9311091618.AA06944@lambada.oit.unc.edu> Subject: qrp-request To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 11:18:06 EST From: Terry Murphy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 225 NAME: TERRY MURPHY CALL: AB4VJ EMAIL: TERRY.MURPHY@LAUNCHPAD.UNC.EDU QRP RIG(S): HT40/ASSORTED HOME BREW QRP FAVORITES: WIRE ANTENNAS, DXING COMMENTS: VERY INTERESTED IN HALLICRAFTER AND BOAT ANCHORS THANKS TERRY DE AB4VJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 11:21:08 1993 Return-Path: id AA24939; Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:21:03 CST id AA05832; 4.1/CRI-5.6; Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:21:01 CST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:21:01 CST From: dadams@cherry.cray.com (David Adams) Message-Id: <9311091621.AA05832@cherry10.cray.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: SSB Construction adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams) escribio': >The problem with SSB and FM is the increased cost and complexity >of design, parts counts, PC boards, and on and on goes the list. >Rumor has it that several people are working on getting kits out, >but they just might be too expensive for the average QRPer. Well now what about these radio on a chip designs that put almost all of the parts for a radio reciever or transmitter on a single cmos chip, with FM modulation to boot!?! A minimum of external parts is required. (A ceramic filter, a couple of coils, a few capacitors, a few resistors, & such.) Also, is Motorola the only company making such things? I certainly doubt it. Almost any radio you look in these days seems to be made this way. ______ Sourdough and Ham KG0IO/AE | | | | | | obten comida, --David C. Adams dadams@cray.com | | | y sal de aqui! Statistician \____/ Cray Research Inc. (____) .:. . . . :. From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 11:21:53 1993 Return-Path: Nov 1993 10:21:12 CST 10:19:49 GMT-5 From: "Kevin Anderson" Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:19:31 GMT-500 Subject: Re: SSB & FM QRP --> CM Howes kits Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Message-Id: <211FE2736D9@augustana.edu> Clark, WA3JPG, wrote [stuff deleted]: > > And, on the horizon, MFJ is talking about SSB QRP transceivers coming > soon, and even Ramsey promises a SSB/CW transceiver kit (for "less > than $300"......) soon. We'll see. I wonder if we could convince > Ten Tec to try to work their way into this market - they have the > experience and knowledge, but have rarely done well in price > competition. > I am aware of CW/SSB transceiver kits made by CM Howes (UK) and sold here in the states by Townsend Electronics, Box 415, 133 N. 1st STreet, Pierceton Indiana 46562, 1-800-944- 3661. They market a 10&15m dual band SSB/CW transceiver capable of 3 to 10 watts PEP depending upon voltage. They market a 80/160 DSB/AM/CW transceiver also capable of the same ranges of power I believe. Kit prices are $299.95 and $239.95 respectively. Townsend also just started carrying Walford Electronics kits (also UK). One page insert suggests a 160m DSB transceiver, 3 to 10 W PEP (12 to 25 volts) for $134.95, a 80m SSB transceiver, 10 to 35 watts PEP (12 to 25 volts) for $239.95, and an 80/20m SSB transceiver, 12 to 40 W PEP (12 to 25 volts), for $399.95 I don't know if this is what everyone is looking for, but here is some options. (I do not own any stocks or products or Townsend, Howes, or Walford -- just have some literature). 72 de Kevin, KB9IUA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson, Geography Dept., Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201 USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: gganderson@augustana.edu or kla@helios.augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 13:01:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA08858; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:01:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9311091801.AA08858@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:48:52 -0400 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;WR-ALC/653 CCSG/SCDD) Subject: More NICAD Packs To: qrp@Think.COM Well, I thought I got rid of all the NiCad battery packs. But, as I gathered some stuff together for the Lawrenceville hamfest, I found a dozen or so that I had tucked away in a special corner. So, if you need some, here's the deal. These are military surplus NiCad packs, used.. There are 20 D-Cells in the pack. They are set up as four 6-volt packs with some circuit that displays the number of hours of charge left when you push a button on the panel. The packs are in a metal case.. Obviously, this thing plugged into something using the connector (weird type) on the back of the case. Size is slightly smaller than a shoebox. Forgot the weight but it takes 6 or 7 bucks to UPS them.. Tell you what I'm gonna do! For $15.00, I will ship you one. For $60.00, I will ship you five of these beauties. I think that will cover my shipping costs and add a few bucks to the 'New Rig Fund." Anybody interested? Will consider trades......... What have you got? 73, Larry, KQ4BY From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 13:39:09 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16979; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:39:03 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 133719.13215; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 13:37:19 EST id AA10587; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:32:59 EST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:32:59 EST From: epacyna@auratek.com (Edward Pacyna) Message-Id: <9311091832.AA10587@auratek.com> To: uunet!Think.COM!qrp@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re:SSB Cc: ed@auratek.com Come on guys. SSB transceivers are not any more complex than CW rigs. Shown below is a SSB transceiver that I built for 20M. A CW transceiver would elimi- nate the balanced modulator and mike pre-amp but would require the addition of a sidetone, T/R off-set and a keying circuit (note: the BFO would now be directly connected to the Tx mixer vs through the IF ). The transceiver was built on a 6"W x 5"D PCB. ________Audio Der.______ | AGC | | | Double Tuned____Rx Mixer____9 MHz Xtal____IF Amp____Prod. Det.____AF Amp_Spkr BPF MC1496 Filter MC1350 MC1496 LM386 | | | | | Ant. Relay 5Mhz VFO | | BFO | | | | | Low Pass Fil. Tx Mixer________| |_____Bal. Mod.___Pre Amp__Mike | MC1496 MC1496 | | Pwr Amp Double Tuned IRF511 BPF | | Driver_______Pre Amp MOS Fet MRF 211 Unless your talking real primal radio (e.g. crystal controled transmitters and direct conversion / super regen. receivers), a basic single converstion SSB transceiver is no more complex to build than a CW transceiver. 73 Ed W1AAZ From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 14:32:24 1993 Return-Path: id AA02901; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:32:13 HST id AA09691; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:32:11 HST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 9:32:11 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: projects 1-4 Message-Id: Let there be no doubt as to the HUGE readership of this list!! My mailbox was flooded with copies of those qrp projects. You guys are great! If any new readers want copies of these cheap, easy to built QRP transmitters send me a note and I'll pass along the circuits. JEFF NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 15:24:55 1993 Return-Path: id AA18138; Tue, 9 Nov 93 15:26:52 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:22:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:22:38 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311092022.AA07375@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: artwork for nn1g-II/norcal 40 Thanks to all that responded about the artwork for these rigs. I guess we have the NN1G rig covered. One of the fellows in our local club (Brockport Amateur radio club) got the artwork for the NN1G-II rig directly from NN1G himself. I guess that they talked, probably at some ungodley code speed about the project during ss, and NN1G sent a package out that day. Wow! So, we will probably build a few evaluation units, and if all works out well, maybe present this as a club project, once the 50 or 60 spiders are completed. ( I made 2 spiders, working on the third). 73 all, and thanks. Brad WB8YGG P.S. the artwork is nice and small! From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 16:24:38 1993 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:12:58 EST From: Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD) To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: cfishman@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: QRP Info Message-Id: <9311091412.aa23703@FSAC3.PICA.ARMY.MIL> With everyone saying how difficult and complex SSB equipment is to build and how expensive....I say not really....I have found several SSB filters at hamfests for $5 and $10 and am now building up a few of the R2 and T2 boards. I am including a list of some catalogs and data books that have all kinds of interesting IC's for making radios. This is the best of times for building, lots of the work has already been done by the IC manufacture. He is some of my library: GEC Plessey Sequoira Research Park 1500 Green Hills Road Scotts Valley, CA 95066 phone 408 438 2900 fax 408 438 7023...........Two handbooks: Professional Products IC handbook and :Consumer IC Handbook ------------------------------- Motorola Semiconductor Marketing Headquarters 5005 E. McDowell Road Phoenix AZ 85008 phone 602 244 6394 fax 602 244 4597 Four Books: RF Devices Data Volume l RF Devices Data Volume ll CMOS Applications-Specific Standard ICs Motorola Linear and Interface ICs --------------------------------- Philips Semiconductors (use to be Signetics now combined as Philips) 811 East Arques Aven Sunnyvale CA 94088 phone 800 234 7381 one book...It's a goodie... RF/Wireless Communications Chew one those puppies for a while.... Clark Fishman WA2UNN cfishman@pica.army.mil Live long and keep your soldering hot....real hot From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 17:01:59 1993 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:00:01 EST From: Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD) To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: cfishman@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Attn: Jeff Message-Id: <9311091700.aa08227@FSAC3.PICA.ARMY.MIL> I could not reach Jeff Herman directly.... I would like a copy of the QRP transmitters... tnx WA2UNN Clark Fishman cfishman@pica.army.mil From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 19:18:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA18914; Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:18:28 HST id AA23838; Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:18:28 HST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:18:27 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: QRP projects Message-Id: Stupid me! I put out a general call for those who wanted these projects only to get a flooded mailbox again (twice in one day). So, please allow me to send them over the net in two batches. What follows are the first four transmitters (projects 1-4). I'll wait until tomorrow to send the second batch (projects 5-10). New projects will follow from time to time (next up is another 15 meter xmtr - this weekend). Jeff NH6IL ******************************************************************* Subject: Projects 1 - 4 Subject: PROJECT 1: 40M QRP XMTR Hi Gang, Here is the first of many very SIMPLE QRP transmitters. I make no claims to their performance! In the next few weeks I'll give you xmtrs for 80, 40, 20, and 2 meters; most requiring 3 or less transistors. The circuits come from 2 out-of-print ham projects books (c. 1968) so I will assume there will be no copyright problems. Project 1 is a simple 40 meter xmtr; it should only take 15 minutes to build it (if you've got the parts). I wasn't able to draw the symbol for each part on this terminal, so I put the part number in it's place. Hope you don't mind... Note that the case of Q1 should be grounded. Here's the text for this project, taken from "101 EASY HAM RADIO PROJECTS" by Robert M. Brown, k2zsq/w9hbf and Tom Kneital, k2aes/wb2aai: "Want to really shake up your next contact? Just tell him you are using this one-transistor CW rig! Most Novices and other hams shy away from these little gems thinking they are hopelessly underpowered. Not so! More than 50 contacts - all located over 75 miles distant - have been logged with this rig connected to the backyard longwire! "Construction is quite simple and, in fact, there is not much to say about it. Reason: there isn't very little that can go wrong! "L1 should be adjusted for maximum deflection on an FSM as the key is depressed. Crystal should be a fundamental frequency type for 40-meter operation." Parts list: C1 68 pF capacitor C2 .015 uF capacitor C3 10 pF capacitor L1 25 turns of No. 26 enameled wire wound on a 3/8 in. slug- tuned form (National XR-91 or equiv.) M1 4.5 volt battery M2 40-meter fundamental freq. crystal Q1 GE-9 transistor R1 91K resistor --------M2--------*----------*-----------*----------C3-----------ANT. | | | | | | | | | C C1 L1 *--------------B Q1 | | | E | | | | ----*------------ | | | | R1 GND | | | C2 | | | | | GND | | | -----------------------------*---------_M1+---KEY-------GND That's it! Note that GND = ground (and note the polarity of M1). For Q1, I've labelled its leads B = base, C = collector, E = emitter. * indicates a junction of 3 or more leads. Remember, no flames if it doesn't work; I'm just the messanger! Project 2 will be an 80M VFO QRP xmtr; stay tuned. (Oh yes, there IS a 2M xmtr on the way). Jeff, NH6IL Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@Hawaii.Edu ****************************************************************************** Subject: Project 2 - 20 meter QRP CW xmtr Here's the second QRP project taken from 101 EASY HAM RADIO PROJECTS, by Robert Brown and Tom Kneitel; again, since the book is out of print, I assume there will be no copyright problems... This project is a simple 20 meter CW xmtr with output about 100 mw (?). Here are the authors' comments: "If you have always wanted to try low-power on 20 meters, here is an excellent method for joining the growing ranks of flea-power addicts - and doing it inexpensively. This circuit is capable of world-wide QSO's, given the right conditions and assuming QRM is not present. "The transmitter uses a pair of GE-1 universal replacement transistors in a unique circuit configuration a great more sophisticated than you would normally expect for an under-one-watt rig. Crystal can be a fundamental 14-mHz type. "L1 should be adjusted for sure-fire oscillation every time the key is depressed. C4 is simply adjusted for maximum output on the FSM." PARTS LIST: C!, C2 .02 uF capacitors C3, C5 .002 uF capacitors C4 51 pF variable capacitor L1 38 turns of No. 22 enameled wire on a 1/2 in. diameter slug-tuned form L2 8 turns of No. 22 enameled wire wound over cold end of L1 L3 Coil, 17 turns of Air Dux 616T (or equiv.) tapped 5 1/2 turns from cold end L4, L5 2.5 mH rf choke (National R-100 or equiv.) M1 1.5 volt dry cell M2 6 volt battery M3 14 mHz crystal Q1, Q2 GE-1 transistors R1 180 ohm resistor R2 1.1 megohm resistor As before, rather than trying to `draw' the symbol for each component, I've just inserted the part number. Oh, note the polarities of the batteries M1 and M2. GND = ground, ANT = antenna, E = emittor, ANT C = collector, B = base, KEY = well, this is a CW rig.... | *---- | | --------*-------- ------------- ----*-----C5--------L3 | | | | | | | | | C4 L4 M3 E-Q1-C | GND-E-Q2-C | | | | | | | | | GND GND | | B | B L5 * --- GND | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---------------------- | R2 | | | | | | R1 L1 L2 | | GND | | | *---------------* | | | | | | GND GND | | | *----C2--- C3 | | | | | | | | ---KEY--*--+M1--GND ----M2+--* GND | | | | C1 GND | | GND Note that the collector of Q1 `jumps' over the hot end of L2; this is the only jump. * = a junction of 3 or more leads. .... .- ...- . ..-. ..- -. ! Jeff, NH6IL Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@Hawaii.Edu *********************************************************************** Subject: Project 3: 80M xmtr with VFO Hi Gang: An opinion from someone at our law school is not to worry about any copyright violations; email me for full details. This week we have an 80 meter 1/10 watt output xmtr with a VFO! Not too many of us still have a drawer full of xtals (gave all my away when I sold my DX-60). Construction is pretty straightforward. C5 is the VFO-frequency- adjust control, while C4 acts as a preset calibrator. Output is governed by setting of C9. It is most important to shield the VFO section entirely (including Q1); this will prevent hand capacitance from pulling you off frequency. PARTS LIST C1 .002 uF cap C2 500 pF cap C3 1000 pF cap C4 15 pF variable cap C5 51 pF variable cap C6 100 pF cap C7, C8 .015 uF cap C9 76 pF variable cap C10 .0015 uF cap L1 57 turns of Air Dux 832 (or equiv.) L2 35 turns of B&W 3016 (or equiv.) L3, L4 2.5 mH rf choke (National R-100 or equiv.) M1 0-15 dc milliammeter M2 12 volt battery Q1 2N744 transistor Q2 2N852 transistor R1 120K resistor R2 100K resistor R3 2.2K resistor R4 2.4K resistor -------------------------------------------- ANT | | | | | | | | | *----------R3-----------L3 | C10 | | | | | | | | R1 | | --B-Q2-C--------* | | | | | | | | | | E | *-------*-------B-Q1-C---* | | | | | | | | | | | -----*---- | | E | | | GND | | | | | | | | | | R2 C1 | *------- |--------(----- | | | | | | | | | C9 L2 | | | | | | | | | GND GND | C2 L1 | | | | | | | | | ----*----- | | | | | | *-----*------(-------C6----------* | | | | | | | M1 | | | | | | R4 C3 *------ L4 ----------*----| | | | | | | | | | | | | | + GND GND C5 C4 GND C8 M2 | | | | | | | | GND GND -----KEY------*----- | | | | *-----C7------- | | GND Notes: * indicates a junction of 3 leads. ( indicates a jump. B = base, C = collector, E = emitter. KEY = manual telegraph key. GND = ground. Coming attractions: 1 transistor 160 meter xmtr; 3 transistor 2 meter xmtr; 15 meter xmtr; other goodies, too! .... ...- ..-. ..- -. Jeff NH6IL . . Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@hawaii.edu ************************************************************************** Subject: Project 4: 160 meter phone xmtr Gang: Here's the next project: a 160M phone xmtr; sorry it's AM but these are OLD project books! Just the simplicity of it should make it fun to build and play with. It's VFO tuned by adjusting the slug of L1. In fact you can use this on 75 meters (and there IS some AM activity on 75) just by changing the final L/C network accordingly. Note that as various antennas are tried, the frequency will change markedly, necessitating readjustment of the L1 slug. The microphone should be a low-impedance crystal type. Parts list ---------- C1, C2 4 uF, 15 VDC electrolytic caps C3 100 pF C4 .015 uF C5 180 pF L1 Vari-loopstick (WRL 10M162 or equiv.) M1 9 volt battery Q1, Q2, Q3 GE-2 transistors R1 10K resistor R2 750K R3, R4 5.1K R5 200K R6 75K S1 SPST switch ANT | | MIC---+C1---*---*---B-Q1-C---*---C2+---*---*---B-Q2-C---*---C3---*---*--- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | E | | | E | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | R1 R2 | R3 R4 R5 | --E-Q3-C-- | L1 | | | | | | | | | C5 | | | GND | GND | GND | B | GND | | | | | | | ----------*----------*---------------*----------- | GND | *--- | | | | | | ----S1---+M1---GND R6 C4 | | | | *---- | | GND Since the xmit frequency can change as you change antennas, I bet a strong wind blowing against a longwire antenna will cause a little `swing' in frequency... This circuit was taken from Brown and Kneital's 101 EASY HAM RADIO PROJECTS. Next up is a one-transistor 15M CW xmtr; stay tuned. Jeff, NH6IL Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@hawaii.edu From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 19:21:57 1993 Return-Path: id AA23479; Tue, 9 Nov 93 18:20:36 CST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 18:20:36 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311100020.AA23479@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: NN1G Mark II I'd like the art work, too! Would be nice to see and I'd like to try my hand at making boards, etc. How bout it? Is it a possibility? Mike Dooley Mike Dooley KE4PC Internet: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com mail: 202 Lavon Shores Drive Princeton, Texas 75407 From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 22:17:07 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for think.com!qrp); Tue, 9 Nov 1993 22:19:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199311100319.AA26861@bulkrate.cc.bellcore.com> From: karayan@cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george) To: qrp@Think.COM Date: 9 Nov 1993 22:15 EST Subject: 72? Please forget this newbie's questions, but what is 72? The QRP version of 73? 73 minus 1 S-unit for low power? :-) :-) :-) ___________________________________________________________________ George Karayannopoulos N2OWO karayan@cc.bellcore.com Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's. From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 22:18:09 1993 Return-Path: id AA11752; Tue, 9 Nov 93 22:18:02 -0500 (from nshore!seastar!jjw for qrp@think.com) id m0ox5K0-0000RBC; Tue, 9 Nov 93 21:30 EST id m0owvyS-0001E0C; Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:31 CST Message-Id: From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch) Subject: Re: SSB Construction To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:31:19 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: jjw@seastar.org Organization: Welch Research Laboratories X-Location: McHenry, ILLinois 60050-1461 Operating-System: Xenix 2.3.4 SysV/386 Lines: 19 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 874 In your article <9311082258.AA02984@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> ["SSB Construction"], you wrote: > Duane, WB9OMC, writes inquiring about SSB and FM projects. > > Yes, it seems like we all love CW, but that's just not true. > The problem with SSB and FM is the increased cost and complexity > of design, parts counts, PC boards, and on and on goes the list. > Rumor has it that several people are working on getting kits out, > but they just might be too expensive for the average QRPer. > Money is always an object it seems. Just an idea that occurred to me yesterday - 14.318 is a *very* common computer crystal, common enough to order 10 or 20 of to build a crystal filter. A 4 or 6 pole filter would work just peachy-keen for sideband filtering, and the remaining crystals can be the LO for a direct conversion SSB rig. Anybody interested in this? -- John Welch, N9JZW From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 9 22:18:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA11757; Tue, 9 Nov 93 22:18:04 -0500 (from nshore!seastar!jjw for qrp@think.com) id m0ox5KH-0001ixC; Tue, 9 Nov 93 21:30 EST id m0ox553-0001E0C; Tue, 9 Nov 93 20:14 CST Message-Id: From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch) Subject: QRP SSB ideas To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 20:14:44 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: jjw@seastar.org Organization: Welch Research Laboratories X-Location: McHenry, ILLinois 60050-1461 Operating-System: Xenix 2.3.4 SysV/386 Lines: 30 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1349 After browsing various catalogs, it seems that 1.84322 and 14.31818 are both commonly available crystals in the SSB portion of the respective bands. It would seem that a single-frequency QRP SSB transceiver could be built fairly readily around a 4 or 6 pole xtal filter of either frequency. The biggest problem would be in building a decent filter, given the tools commonly available. Anybody who's into filter building want to give a hand??? The last time I did one, I used a TW-1 DDS VFO as a signal generator, and measured the response on a spectrum analyzer. Tweaked it untill I got the response I wanted, then did a broader sweep using a real rf signal generator. I strongly doubt these tools are commonly available, however :-(. Additional TW-1 note: The articles have been pushed out, probably to the Jan 94 issue. There will be one about a parallel-port frequency setter using a PC, and one about an EPROM and thumbwheel-switch gadget. Sometime later there will be an up-mixer to allow coverage to 30MHz, then we commence the filter, receiver and better amplifier. BTW, if there is enough interest to warrant it I can come up with a much better 5 volt supply, a switcher with moderate efficiency. For those wanting to backpack a TW-1, it's probably a Good Idea, but finding the inductor is a bit hairy. -- John Welch, N9JZW From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 07:39:19 1993 Return-Path: id AA05419; Wed, 10 Nov 93 07:41:40 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Nov 1993 07:38:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 07:38:51 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311101238.AA08121@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: nn1g artwork I'm not at work today but I figured I better say this to those of you that asked, I'm not sure if nn1g is making the artwork in the public domain or not. Also, I really don't feel that I can give the artwork out, because I didn't make the initial contact with nn1g myself. I guess he had a heck of a signal with his homebrew qrp rig on s.s. Anyway, I don't know what to do , other than possible having my friend write him a note to see what the scoop is. Maybe that's the way to go about it? 73 all, fer now, and if I find out anything, I'll let you know. Brad WB8YGG From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 08:59:20 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311101359.AA17172@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Wed, 10 Nov 1993 5:58:40 -0800 (PST) Date: 10 Nov 1993 08:53:42 +0000 From: "Bob Scott" Subject: NORCAL 40 To: "QRP" NORCAL 40 Received my NorCal 40 yesterday in a plain brown wrapper. I have not decided whether to build it this weekend or take it to Scouts next week, and begin building it there. Maybe I can generate some interest in the Radio Merit Badge and Ham Radio in general. It will be difficult to wait until then. Maybe I should have bought 2 of the units. I would like to echo Jeff Gold's comments about the NorCal QRP club. What you guys and gals are doing is really exciting and I appreciate being allowed to be a small part of it. 73 Bob AC4QO From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 09:52:25 1993 Return-Path: by gossip.pyramid.com (5.61/OSx5.1a Pyramid-Internet-Gateway) id AA05097; Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:52:35 -0800 id AA05620; Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:49:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:49:57 -0800 From: mcronenw@pyramid.com (Mark Cronenwett) Message-Id: <9311101449.AA05620@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: SSB and Computer Computer Crystals Another common crystal is 7.159. I bought several of these here for $.79 apiece. I have a direct conversion scheme in mind. Of course I am just working on building the transmitter first. One design is a phasing generator in the back of the QRP Notebook, the other is an idea from Wayne Burdick using the NE602. Mark ******************************************************************************** -m-------- Mark Cronenwett Wk: (408)428-9000 x6978 --mm------- Technician Specialist Fax:(408)428-8855 ---mmmm----- Board Analysis and Repair Team Naui AI Z9697 -----mmmmmm--- Pyramid Technology Corporation ------mmmmmmm-- San Jose, California -------mmmmmmmm- mcronenw@pyramid.com KA7ULD(@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) ******************************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 10:43:14 1993 Return-Path: id AA20969; Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:33:56 CST id AA27196; Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:43:26 CST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:43:26 CST From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Message-Id: <9311101543.AA27196@eda.mke.ab.com> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: any more norcal 40 kits Are there any more kits available -- it not are there plans to make more? xmas is coming any my xyl wanted to know what I wanted for xmas but she said no the to ts 950. 72, Brian AE9K From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 11:29:54 1993 Return-Path: id AA14024; Wed, 10 Nov 93 08:13:50 PST id AA01096; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:16:18 -0800 <01H556J9SIX0MTLUSQ@gvg47.gvg.tek.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:16:39 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "AMICULE, DELICIAE, NUM IS SUM QUI MENTIAR TIBI." Subject: Re: 72? To: karayan@cc.bellcore.com Cc: qrp@Think.COM, ~CLEVELAND@gvg47.gvg.tek.com Message-Id: <01H556J9SIX2MTLUSQ@gvg47.gvg.tek.com> X-Envelope-To: qrp@think.com X-Vms-To: IN%"karayan@cc.bellcore.COM" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com",CLEVELAND Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT "72" is an abomination perpetrated by the same type of folks who would call the Mother Tongue the "Morris Code". A plague on all their trnasmitters. Fie! Fie! Grover WT6P From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 11:30:07 1993 Return-Path: id AA14198; Wed, 10 Nov 93 08:16:05 PST id AA01176; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:18:27 -0800 <01H556LCTESEMTLUSQ@gvg47.gvg.tek.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:18:29 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "AMICULE, DELICIAE, NUM IS SUM QUI MENTIAR TIBI." Subject: Re: 72? To: karayan@cc.bellcore.com Cc: qrp@Think.COM, ~CLEVELAND@gvg47.gvg.tek.com Message-Id: <01H556LCTES0MTLUSQ@gvg47.gvg.tek.com> X-Envelope-To: qrp@think.com X-Vms-To: IN%"karayan@cc.bellcore.COM" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com",CLEVELAND Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Come to think of it, a plague on all their "transmitters" would be better than on their "trnasmitters". (Damn keyboard.) Grover From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 12:05:02 1993 Return-Path: id AA12987; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:07:06 -0500 id AA24669; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:03:30 EST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:03:30 EST From: Barry x24904/ER/167B-TED Reply-To: Barry x24904/ER/167B-TED Message-Id: <9311101703.AA24669@park.RDCS.Kodak.COM> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: QRP Projects I would like to make a few comments about the simple QRP transmitter designs recently submitted by Jeff Herman. These designs were basically obsolete when published in 1968 and are even more so today as they use transistors that likely will be quite difficult to obtain. The GE replacement transistors called for are all PNP Germanium devices. At least the 2N744 and 2N852 parts are NPN Silicon but even these are quite old. Of course it is certainly possible to substitute more modern (and readily available) silicon NPN devices in these circuits with the appropriate changes in battery polarity and biasing networks. There is much to favor the generic 2222 series transistor (2N2222, PN2222, MPS2222, etc.) in circuits like these: they are cheap (often 10 for $1 at hamfest prices, only a little more at Radio Shack), they have a reasonable gain up to low VHF frequencies, and are available virtually everywhere. Lots of circuits have been published using them over the years too. While I recognize the effort that Jeff went to in posting these schematics, I think future posts should warn potential builders that obsolete parts are used. Since QRP is often a new ham's introduction to homebrew, every effort should be made to use parts that are readily available - why frustrate the beginner? There is nothing wrong with resurrecting older technology as long as you understand that parts may be hard to find today. The recent firebottle (vacuum tube) transmitter was a good example. The author tried to remain faithful to the older designs but still wound up having to substitute a different tube. [I enjoyed his articles, by the way!] If someone wants to build a late 1950's to early 1960's vintage QRP transmitter using Germanium parts, Jeff's posting should be quite useful. For a first-time construction project, however, I would stick to more modern designs. 73, Barry WA4VZQ ornitz@kodak.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 12:18:49 1993 Return-Path: <01H55EQK5KR49ARU2K@fair1.fairfield.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 12:15:23 EST Date: 10 Nov 1993 12:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" Subject: Computer xtals To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H55EQK5KR69ARU2K@fair1.fairfield.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Gang, I've got a mess of crystals from little computer boards of some sort, all with a frequency of 3280, if memory serves. I wonder what that frequency might have been for way back when. I've tried multiplying it, dividing it--butstill can't imagine what that crystal frequency might have been for. Anyhow, if anyone can use them, let me know; I'll see if I can't lay hands on them. I think I have ten or so of them. 72.8381696 . . . Don Coleman, W1Voq From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 13:07:13 1993 Return-Path: id AB13474; Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:52:19 -0800 Message-Id: <9311101705.AA07702@itgmsm> From: laurahal@microsoft.com To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Subject: Re: SSB Construction Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:06:00 PST X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 The biggest issue I've heard with non-CW QRP operation is the insistence of most SSB operators on arm-chair 59+ copy, which is difficult to do on QRP power levels. QRP power levels relax some of the requirements, and DSB transmission is often acceptable. As well as dead simple to implement. If you really must have SSB, one approach might be to whomp up a quick and dirty phasing exciter, and if the sideband suppression isn't enough, clean it up with a homebrew crystal filter. This relaxes the requirements on both the filter and the exciter phasing networks. There is some material in one of W1FB's books (_QRP Notebook_?) on a simple phasing exciter. There is an SSB design in the RSGB VHF/UHF Handbook that employs phasing directly at 2m, which you can't do with filters. And, of course, there is material in _Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur_ on DSB and SSB generation and transmission. 73 from Burnaby, laura VE7LDH From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 14:34:47 1993 Return-Path: id AA19148; Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:33:43 HST id AA27239; Wed, 10 Nov 93 09:33:41 HST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 9:33:40 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Projects 5-10 Message-Id: First, I'd like to point out that Barry's comments were much appreciated; these designs are close to 30 years old. Many of the semiconductors are just not available now. But part of homebrewing is learning about the characteristics of each component and learning to make substitutions. Folks are building these and having success (and fun). What I feel is a more important reason to post them is the historical context they represent. These books (which contain these projects) were one of the first transistor projects books to be published. Actually, more than fhalf of the projects contain tube-type circuits, so tubes were still in use by homebrewers in the late 60's. With today's everything- on-a-chip technology, it's rare to see such simple, descrete-component circuits. I enjoy just reading the schematics of these projects. Be that as it may (whatever that means), here's the remaining projects. Jeff ********************************************************************* Subject: Project 5: 15 meter CW xmtr Here's a one transistor flea-power CW xmtr for 15 meters (I'll provide a 2 transistor 1 watt xmtr as the next project for those of you who want to run high power on 15M...) To tune-up the xmtr, just peak C2 for maximum signal on your receiver's S meter. Parts list: Q1 2N373 transistor C1,5 4700 pF capacitor C2 3-30 pF trimmer C3 30 mF C4 1000 pF R1 10K resistor R2,3 510 ohm R4 50K B1 9 VDC battery L1 17 turns B&W 3007, tapped 8 turns from C5 end X1 21 mHz fundamental 3rd overtone crystal ----X1----*------*------ | | | | | C | | | | C2 L1----C1-----ANT -----------*-------B-Q1 | | | | | | | | | E | | | | | | | ---------|-----------|--*-C3+-*-*-- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | R1 R2 C4 R3 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---*-----*----*---*--C5--* | | | | | | | ------R4--------*--------------------- | | | | -------------------------*----KEY----B1+----GND Note the battery's polarity. Recall that * indicates a junction of 3 or more wires; there are 2 jumps - one from R4 and the other from R1. Sorry, only straight keys can be used in this xmtr... Credit goes to Bert Simon, W2UUN, and his book, 104 HAM RADIO PROJECTS. Jeff NH6IL Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@Hawaii.Edu ************************************************************************ Subject: Project 6: 80M QRP `colorburst' CW xmtr Keywords: cheap, cw, fun Gang, In preparation for tomorrow's 80M QRP Colorburst Contest, here's a quick 80M xmtr you can throw together in 5 minutes; the 3579 kHz xtal comes, naturally, from the colorburst oscillator board in your color TV (if you've got a junked TV, or if you think TV only contains junk, yank the xtal out). The rf output is not much - about 25 mw. Tuneup is simple: just bring a field strength meter into vicinity of L1/L2 and tune L1 for peak deflection of the meter. If you really want to get fancy, you can substitute a 100 pF variable for C3 and optimize a bit further; this involves a bit of experi- mentation to determine a `norm' setting for L1/L2. After this has been established, all further tuning can be accomplished with C3. Parts List: C1 .047 mF capacitor C2 .0015 mF C3 100 pF L1 18 turns of No.30 wire closewound on 3/8 in. diameter slug-tuned form L2 5 turns of No. 30 closewound around middle of L1. Experiment with posi- tion of this coil over L1; in some circuits performance will be increased by moving L2 towards cold end of L1. Once exact position has been determined (with ant. hooked in and FSM for monitoring), glue in place. L3 2.5 mH rf choke (National R-100 or equiv.) M1 3 volt battery M2 6 volt battery M3 80 meter xtal Q1 HEP-2 transistor R1 330 ohm resistor R2 27K resistor S1 spst switch ---------M3---------- ANT | | | | | | *------E-Q1-C-------*------------*------- -------------- | B | | | | | | | | L3 *-------- C3 L1 L2 | | | | | | | | | | | | R1 R2 C1 *------- GND | | | | | | | | | GND GND | | | | *----------KEY------M2+----GND ----------S1---M1+---GND | | C2 | | GND Note the polarity of M1 and M2. Hope to hear some of you on the `official colorburst frequency' of 3579 kHz! Jeff NH6IL Jeffrey Herman, University of Hawaii Mathematics, jherman@Hawaii.Edu ********************************************************************* Subject: Project 7: 15 watts on 80 and 40* Keywords: cheap, cw, fun * If you are reading this on the rec.radio..homebrew newsgroup feel free to run the full 15 watts. BUT, if you are reading this on the QRP mailgroup you can only use this xmtr in the standby mode (a few milliwatts)(no fair cheating now...). Here's the most sophisticated xmtr project so far: 15 watts output on 40 and 80 meters. There is a standby mode which keeps the oscillator ticking but cuts out the PA transistors - use this for zero-beating your rcvr to the xmtr output frequency (uh, I guess this really isn't necessary with today's receivers... This IS an old book). The book is 104 HAM RADIO PROJECTS FOR NOVICE AND TECHNICIAN, by Burt Simon, 1968. Burt says: "RFC1 should be a low resistance; use a 1/4 inch loopstick and at least 20 turns of #28 wire or larger. No component values are critical except for the amplifier coils. The NE-2 bulb should be mounted flat against the chassis near the #49 bulb with both leads connected to the antenna lead and only stray capacitance to ground. Also be sure to use a fundamental- frequency crystal. The oscillator transistor does not need a heat sink, although you'll need a Wakefield #NF207 on the buffer transistor. "Tuning: Only final amplifier adjustments are necessary. Tune always for maximum output, NOT MINIMUM PA CURRENT. Normal tuning of C9 and C10 should bring about a satisfactory bulb brilliance. If antennas are under 30 feet (or 1/2 wave), output capacitance will be much less and tuning capacitance more; the #49 bulb will show less current, but the neon bulb will ignite showing high voltage feed. In general, tune for maximum bulb brilliance regardless of load." Parts List: ----------- Q1,2 2N697 transistor; use Wakefield #NF207 heat sink on Q2 Q3,4 PADT50 C1,4,12 330 pF capacitor C2 .068 mF C3,5 .01 mF C6,8 .22 mF electrolytic, 50V C7 820 pF C9,10 365 pF variable C11 330 pF R1 27K resistor R2 3.3K R3 330 ohms R4 10K R5 100 ohms 2W R6 1.5 ohms 2W -------------------------------->12-28VDC | | | ------------------->12VDC (for zero beating) | | | R * ------------*------------*----*--- SW1A | | | |T * | | | | | R1 RFC1 C5 | *----*----*----*---- | | | | | | | | | | | GND | | | | | | *---X1------*---C4---- | C6 RFC3 C8 R6 I3 | | | | | | | | | | | *-B-Q2-C-- | | *----*---* *--B-Q1-C---- | E GND | | | | E R4 | | E E | | | *-----C7-----* Q3-C--C-Q4 *-C1-*---- | | | B B | | | | R5 | | | R2 R3 C3 | | *----*--------- ANT | | | ----* | | | | | | | ------>RCVR ANT | *----*---*-----RFC2------- | | ----I1----* | | | |R | | | | | * SW1B | | C2 ----KEY---GND | -----*--L1--*--*--L2--*--*--L3--* | -----*T | | | | | | | | | | | | | GND RFC4 | C11 C10 | I2 | | | LOAD | | | C9 | | C12 | GND TUNE | GND | GND | | | GND | | 80*|*40 LO*|*HI | | SW2 * * SW3 | | | | GND GND Whew! Okay, note that the 40M terminal of SW2 is not connected to anything; neither is the HI terminal of SW3. As I written, C9 is the tuning and C10 is the loading capacitor. Jeff NH6IL ***************************************** Subject: Project 8: 1 1/2 watts on 80M CW Keywords: cheap, CW, fun Can you all stand one more 80M xmtr? (Do you get the feeling that I'm trying to push for more 80M activity? I really love that band!) The book is 104 HAM RADIO PROJECTS FOR NOVICE AND TECHNECIAN by Burt Simon. Burt says: "This rig has provided many hours of fun for the authors in the 80M novice band, where regular 800 mile DX has been nothing out of the ordinary. In fact one contact was made with a W6 in Los Angeles from our Long Island,NY QTH. "Tuning is conventional. Transistors should be loaded to about 50ma in the bottom of the dip if you're pumping in the full 30 volts. With C6 about half meshed, L1 should resonate at the low end of the 80M band. (You can check this with your GDO)." Parts List Q1, Q2 2N269 transistor C1, C2 150 pF capacitor C3, C4 300 pF C5 .01 mF C6 200 pF variable C7 50 pF R1, R2 470K resistor R3, R4 2K R5 200 ohms B1 30 VDC battery L1 30 turns, center-tapped, on 1 inch form, with 4 turn link into center for output RFC1,2 2.5 mH RF choke (National R-100) X1 80 meter fundamental crystal M1 0-100 DC milliammeter ANT | --------*--------*--------*--------B-Q1-C-------- | | | | | E | C7 | | | C1 | | | | R1 R3 | RFC1 *--------- | | | | C3 | | | ------- | | | | | | | | X1 *----- *--------*----------*---GND C6 ) | | | | | | | | ) L1 ( | | | | C4 | | ----) ( | R2 | R4 | RFC2 | | ) | | | | | C2 | | | | | | | | | | E | | | GND --------*----)---*--------*--------B-Q1-C-------*----)---- | | | | --+B1---M1---*--------------------------------R5-----*-----C5-----GND | | | ----KEY----GND Note the polarity of B1; there are two `jumps': between R2 and R4, and over the `hot' end of L1. 1 1/2 watts should be real fun - not quite the challenge as the 25 mw xmtr. Okay, no more 80M xmtrs! I promised I'd post a 2M xmtr - I have two - neither are FM, though. I'll post them next and let you folks figure out how to FM them; shouldn't be hard at all. (Probably only the r.r.a.homebrew folks will be interested in them, but you QRP mailgroup folks might have a use for them also.) Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ) ************************************************************* Subject: Project 9: 2M CW transmitter Here's the first of two 2M xmtrs: this one is a 2-transistor CW rig and the other is a 3-transistor AM circuit which you can FMize yourself (of course the AM xmtr can be used for CW, too). Here's what Burt Simon in 104 HAM RADIO PROJECTS FOR NOVICE AND TECHNICIAN (1968) has to say: "Here's a dandy 2-meter CW rig that will astound the local gang. Using only 2 transistors and a 72 MHz third overtone crystal, you can practically carry the set around with you. It can be built into the tiniest of boxes and requires only a 9-volt battery to power it. At least one VHFer has worked 110 miles with this transmitter, and several (built as club projects) have been equipped with simple one-transistor modulators. "Construction is simple, although care must be taken to insure that all leads are as short as possible. L3 should have its iron-core slug removed. The RFCs are simple 1/2 watt resistors wound full of #36 enameled wire. To check their efficiency, use a grid dip meter to see if you're anywhere near 144 MHz. If they aren't, remove or add turns until the desired frequency (should correspond with your transmit frequency) is achieved. L1 should be neutralized by winding a full solenoid of #26 wire on a 1 meg, 1 watt resistor. Leaving only about 1/2-inch of lead, solder the choke to the crystal socket. It should resonant at your operating frequency. "Main thing is to get the crystal to oscillate. If you have trouble, adjust L2 and expand or compress the turns of L1 until you hear (using a 2-meter receiver) the oscillator harmonic. From here on in you can simply tune for maximum signal using a GDO, field strength meter, or receiver S meter." Parts List Q1, 2 2N1745 transistor C1, 2 .001 mF capacitor C3, 4 .01 mF C5 50 pF C6 12 mF, 5% R1 510 ohm resistor R2 30K R3 10K R4 100 ohms B1 9vdc battery L1 19 turns #24 enameled wire on 1 meg, 1 watt resistor L2 9 1/2 turns #24 enameled wire on 5/16 inch slug-tuned form L3 6 1/2 turns #24 enameled wire, spaced 1/6 inch on 5/16 inch slug- tuned form L4 1 3/4 turns #22 enameled wire on cold end of L3 RFC1,2,3 #36 enameled wire wound (and glued) on 1/2 watt resistor. Should check to approximately 145 MHz with GDO. If it doesn't, adjust number of turns. (Ohmite Z-144) X1 72 MHz 5th overtone crystal SW1 SPST switch ---L1--- | | | | ------------*--X1--*------------ | | | | *------------E-Q1-C------ C1 | B | | | | ) | R1 | L2 )------)------C6---*---E-Q2-C------- -----C5---ANT | | ^ ) | | B | ^ | | | | )------- | | ) | ( RFC1 | | ) RFC2 | L3) | (L4 | | ) | GND ) | ( | | | | | | GND -------*--R2-*--* R4 ------* | | | | | | | | GND | | | | | | | C2 R3 C3 | GND C4 RFC3 | | | | | | | | | | GND | GND GND GND | | -----------------------------------*---SW1--B1+--GND Notes: Observe good VHF wiring techniques (we can't be as sloppy here as we are down on the HF bands!) The positive pole of B1 goes to ground. I attempted to use arrows to indicate the adjustable coil forms. Nothing was said about the two taps coming off of L2 - you'll have to experiment as to their placement. C1 jumps over the other tap from L2. If any of you build this pup let the rest of us know how you got it to work.... (who in the world has even got 72 MHz xtals anymore?) Jeff NH6IL (ex WA6QIJ) ************************************************************************ Subject: Project 10: A BFO for your $40 SW rcvr It seems there are quite a few cheapie shortwave receivers out there that have everything (synthesizer tuning, digital readout, fairly good specs) but lack the all important BFO to copy SSB and CW. Well, let's remedy that problem right now. The heart of this project is a 455 kHz IF transformer: go to your closest junked broadcast radio receiver and steal one from there. If you are reading this on rec.radio.shortwave you may skip this paragraph; if you are reading this on rec.radio.amateur.homebrew or on the QRP mailgroup here's a neat idea: get one of these cheapie SW rcvrs and after installing this BFO you'll have a great companion to any of the simple transmitters I've been posting! Let's face it, xmtrs are easy to build, but rcvrs certainly require more care; for $40 you can pick up one of these synthesized digital readout pups and have a complete backpack transmitter-receiver pair. PARTS LIST Q1 2N544 transistor C1 15 pfd variable capacitor C2 .001 mfd C3,4 .01 mfd R1 7.5K resistor R2 5.1K B1 1.5 VDC battery T1 Miller #9-C2 IF transformer SW1 SPST switch ------------------------------------- ANT | | | | | | R1 | | | | | | | | *------*------B-Q1-C-----*----------)-------------*------C2-------- | | E | | | | | | | | | R2 | | C1 | *----- | | GND | | | ) | | | | | ) GND | GND | C ) -------O | | | ) ( | *-------------)----) ( N.C. | | | ) ( | | | ) -------O | | | ) --------------C3-------------)-------------*----- | | *-------SW1-----B1+----GND | C4 | GND Recall: Q1 is marked B=base, C=collector, E=emitter; the case of Q1 MUST be grounded; GND=ground; note the polarity of B1. Now, the unmarked capacitor, C, and its associated transformer, are inside the can of the IF transformer; if you remove the can you'll see where to make the connections. N.C. means not connected - while you have the can off you'll have to cut those leads. Also, screw the tuning screw slug all the way out. After you've put everything together set C1 about midway. Adjust the transformer slug until it resonates at 455 kHz, which can be accomplished using a receiver or GDO. AS you tune the slug (using the receiver) you should hear the heterodyne note of the BFO lowering in pitch until it eventually zero-beats. Stop tuning at this point. The BFO antenna can be any piece of hookup wire wrapped around the antenna wire near (or even inside of) the receiver. Whenever you want to copy CW or SSB, merely flick on SW1. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 15:27:12 1993 Return-Path: id AA28916; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:26:32 MST id AA21714; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:52:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:52:10 -0700 From: tjf@beta.lanl.gov (Tom J Farish) Message-Id: <9311101952.AA21714@beta.lanl.gov> To: DACOLEMAN@fair1.fairfield.edu, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Computer xtals Hi....maybe they are clock crystals from early mini-processors! BTW, are you by any chance related to Jack Coleman at the MIT Plasma Fusion Center? I worked with him years ago, and I don't remember the names of his kids.... Tom KJ5LT From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 17:10:15 1993 Return-Path: id AA10899; Wed, 10 Nov 93 17:09:41 EST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 17:09:41 EST From: majewski@erim.org (Ron Majewski) Message-Id: <9311102209.AA10899@spsd630a.erim.org> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: 40m After my QRO fall from grace during the CW SS, I fired up my tr5 last night at 4w on 40mtrs. I was using a ground mounted Cushcraft R7 as an antenna. The band was quiet, noise-wise. I heard a Cuban station and a few Californians around 0245. Not finding any CQ's, I called my own around 0250. kd4ff in Fairfax, VA answered me right away. We tossed the ball back and forth for about 30 minutes. At 405 air miles between us, that works out to 100 miles/watt. I've got to find an order of magnitude to catch up with Chuck! I received my NorCal40 this week, and I hope to get it together over Thanksgiving. 72/3! Ron (wb8ruq). From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 17:50:58 1993 Return-Path: id AA18908; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:50:39 HST id AA06892; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:50:39 HST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:50:39 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: project 7 problem Message-Id: Something is bothering me concerning the circuit of project 7 (15 watts on 80/40). Notice that the collectors of Q3 and Q4 are tied together; does that seem normal to any of you designers? In all the other circuits the collector represented the output - here the collectors aren't tied to anything else. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 18:04:37 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for QRP@Think.COM); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:59:23 +1100 id AA24533; Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:12:19 EST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:12:19 EST From: richard@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Richard Urmonas) Message-Id: <9311102112.AA24533@durian.dnd.icp.nec.com.au> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: SSB filters and computer XTALS Now I have never built a xtal filter from discrete comoponents but if memory serves the low cost computer crystals are specified for as broad +/- 1000 ppm. Now if one uses a 14 MHz xtal this means a spread of 14 kHz. Even with a "better" quality computer xtal say +/- 100 ppm the spread is 1.4 kHz. As I haven't done any xtal filter design I don't know how well such spreads can be accomodated, but it may bear consideration before trying to assemble a filter. 73 Richard From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 18:37:23 1993 Return-Path: id m0oxP4v-0001kSC; Wed, 10 Nov 93 18:35 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 18:35:56 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2647 BFO for SHORTWAVE...using 1993 parts (Jeff...this is NOT meant as a rub on you) +--/\/\/\/------+-------+--o +5 to 15 vdc | 330k | | | / _|_ .01uf | B |/ C ___ |------------| | | |\ E ### |--)(----------\__________________________/ see note about | 470pf | 'insulated emitter wire' | |---)(-----+ 455kc --- < 470pf | Ceramic %%% 2200 > ### gnd resonator --- ohms > | | ### ### Transistor: 2N2222 or similar 2N3904 or similar Ceramic Resonator: Digikey has these --- do not confuse with the 455kc filter (which is 3 prongs) nor the resonator with 'built in capacitor' To run this on 90-135vdc, ADD a series resistor 330k from --o + to the B+ in the radio.( Now Zenith Transoceanics can get CW & SSB!) To run this on 135-250vdc make the resistor be 680k 1 watt That Emitter wire...to be insulated....wrap around last the last IF transistor...or tape it to the ckt board on the IF amps' ckt to provide enough coupling. Adjust its position to get enough signal, so SSB sound right, and not all distorted when strong sig comes along. To get +/- BFO tuning, replace the 470pf cap going to gnd, with a twin gang cap 266pf each side...Mouser #24TR218 (get also2 #48SS003 screws) and wire it to be 513 pf. Add paralell to it, 180pf Tune range will be limited. If you don't like that, then do this: replace both 470pf with 330pf and wire the tune cap so its common connection goes to the emitter and its 2 end connects go to gnd and base. This means now having the tune cap 'above gnd' so must be run with a plastic knob and mtg to non metal. Tune range will be a bit more and will be less likly to stall. There are no other adjustments needed to be done. --- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 10 21:53:32 1993 Return-Path: id AA08645; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 21:53:14 -0500 id AA01983; Wed, 10 Nov 93 21:54:05 EST id AA03794; Wed, 10 Nov 93 21:53:58 EST Message-Id: <9311110253.AA03794@kaos.ksr.com> To: richard@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Richard Urmonas) Cc: QRP@Think.COM, jfw@ksr.com Subject: Re: SSB filters and computer XTALS In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:12:19 EST." <9311102112.AA24533@durian.dnd.icp.nec.com.au> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 21:53:57 EST From: "John F. Woods" The usual approach to dealing with computer crystals for filters is to buy a lot of them (I've got 70 16MHz crystals in a bag to my left) and use an oscillator and frequency meter to match them. This means you can assemble a filter from tight tolerance crystals though your IF frequency isn't very predictable. From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 02:47:30 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for think.com!qrp); Wed, 10 Nov 1993 23:47:11 -0800 id m0oxPBX-00003CC; Wed, 10 Nov 93 23:42 GMT Message-Id: From: jerry@tr2.com Subject: Re: Projects 5-10 To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 23:42:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: from "Jeff Herman" at Nov 10, 93 09:33:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1577 Jeff, NH6IL writes, > > What I feel is a more important reason to post them is the historical > context they represent. These books (which contain these projects) were > one of the first transistor projects books to be published. Actually, > more than fhalf of the projects contain tube-type circuits, so tubes > were still in use by homebrewers in the late 60's. *** Jeff, This is really making me feel old! Talking about my Novice days as if they were some geologic epoch. ``Yes, in the Paleolithic, transistors had just been invented...''. I have my good old copy of ``Ham Radio Projects for Novice & Technician'' in front of me right now. I remember drooling over every project in detail, even building a few. Like, for example, project #67, the ``Novice 807 Transmitter''. This featured a 6V6 oscillator driving an 807 final stage. Ah, the 807... I was too young to drink a nice cold 807 back then, could only build stuff with'em. I built mine on a gutted ARC5 chassis. My first and only contact using it was with a fellow Novice in L.A. About halfway through the QSO, the plate current started to rise... and rise.... and then smoke started coming out... My little transmitter was a victim of the dreaded 807 parasitic oscillation. - Jerry Kaidor *************************************************************** * Jerry Kaidor jerry@tr2.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com * * KF6VB * *************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 04:43:33 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for QRP@Think.COM); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:43:17 +1100 id AA19930; Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:53:12 EST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:53:12 EST From: richard@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Richard Urmonas) Message-Id: <9311110653.AA19930@durian.dnd.icp.nec.com.au> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: SSB filters and direct conversion OOPS!! When I sent my comment on frequency spread I meant to refer to people experimenting with "direct conversion"-SIC. Thanks to the people who commented on selecting matched crystals. I was aware of this but had meant my comment to apply to the "direct conversion" experiments, where the frequency spread will hamper communications between two similar units. 73 Richard, VK3DRU From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 15:34:02 1993 Return-Path: id AB15106 for qrp@think.com; Thu, 11 Nov 93 15:33:36 -0500 id AA372814 ; Thu, 11 Nov 93 15:10:46 EST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 20:15:30 GMT Message-Id: <21123@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: NorCal40 If you've used or heard this rig on the air, please send email to rschetgen@arrl.org and tell Bob, KU7G what you think of it. Thanks! 72, Jim, KR1S From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 17:29:28 1993 Return-Path: id AA10041; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:29:23 HST id AA13833; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:29:23 HST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:29:22 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: QRP-NE (JIM) Message-Id: Jim W1FMR of QRP-NE, I can't seem to email you - there's no return address on your msg. Yes, feel free to use those circuits in your newsletter. I think it is important that we preserve that period of time in ham radio and try to disseminate the contents of these books widely. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 17:33:10 1993 Return-Path: Nov 1993 16:32:18 CST To: qrp@Think.COM From: gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) Subject: homebrew help Date: Message-Id: Can one of you Ten-Tec PowerMite experts help Ed? I got this message off the rec.radio.amateur.homebrew list. Kevin Anderson, gganderson@augustana.edu --- Forwarded message follows --- From: majec@cactus.org (Majec Systems) Subject: homebrew help Keywords: swr protection circuit Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 18:02:59 GMT I am thinking about a project to put in a swr protection circuit in my QRP radio. It is a TEN-TEC pm2. A direct conversion 1 watt vfo/crystal transceiver. I am using a 10 ohm resistor in the dc line to the collector on the final, and when I have it tuned for the antenna I take the resistor out and close up the line. Crude I will admit. This is only a temporary fix and will not be good for portable operation such as camping etc. So.... Any suggestions for a protection circuit would be appreciated as i am very new to the sport of ham homebrew and need some elmering on most things. Thanks Ed Guinn KB5RUF/AG majec@cactus.org From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 11 21:38:33 1993 Return-Path: id AA10912; Thu, 11 Nov 93 21:38:29 -0500 (from nshore!seastar!jjw for qrp@think.com) id m0oxoFE-0001j4C; Thu, 11 Nov 93 21:28 EST id m0oxdbo-0001E8C; Thu, 11 Nov 93 09:06 CST Message-Id: From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch) Subject: Re: SSB filters and computer XTALS To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:06:51 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: jjw@seastar.org Organization: Welch Research Laboratories X-Location: McHenry, ILLinois 60050-1461 Operating-System: Xenix 2.3.4 SysV/386 Lines: 29 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1420 In your article <9311102112.AA24533@durian.dnd.icp.nec.com.au> ["SSB filters and computer XTALS"], you wrote: > Now I have never built a xtal filter from discrete comoponents but if > memory serves the low cost computer crystals are specified for as broad > +/- 1000 ppm. Now if one uses a 14 MHz xtal this means a spread of 14 kHz. > Even with a "better" quality computer xtal say +/- 100 ppm the spread is > 1.4 kHz. As I haven't done any xtal filter design I don't know how well > such spreads can be accomodated, but it may bear consideration before > trying to assemble a filter. > > 73 > Richard Most of the computer grade xtals I've seen have been +/- 25 to 50 ppm. Batches from the same mfg are usually within 2KHz or less from each other, and it's really easy to match a bunch for filters if you buy 30 or so at once (and you get quantity discounts too:-), build a simple oscillator (I use a 74HC04 based unit with a socket for the crystals) and measure the frequency on a decent counter. Note that you get *a filter*, not necessarily a filter at the exact frequency you wanted. My 10MHz filter (6 pole, 3KHz wide) is about 3.5KHz lower than 10MHz, and my 12MHz (6 pole, 2.7KHz at present) is centered about 12.001500MHz. The 12MHz xtals on my oscillator came in at 12.005700, and as I recall the 10s were all 9.995000-ish... Guess my oscillator isn't quite series-resonant. -- John Welch, N9JZW From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 00:13:14 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA00931; Thu, 11 Nov 93 21:13:05 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA13455; Thu, 11 Nov 93 23:13:01 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA03371; Thu, 11 Nov 93 23:12:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 23:12:59 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311120512.AA03371@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: WAS QRP Award Gang, For those of you who have worked contests, past, present and future sponsored by the QRP ARCI. During these contests you copied calls and QRP ARCI Membership numbers. This list is sufficient for proof of contact. You don't need a QSL. Also, the QRP WAS (Worked All States) starts at 20 states, you don't have to work all 50 before applying. Check the rules posted previously. So, if you have worked 20 or more states (we have endorsements for 20, 30, 40 and all 50 states), and you wanna apply for this award, send me email. I'll send you a form that I use and you return it to me with the $2 to pay for the certificate and postage. That's all there is to it. I don't make a dime on this, it's for the club (QRP ARCI). I'll pay the postage to you for the forms, just because. So, when working stations, be sure to get their ARCI Membership number. The club does not publish these things just for this reason. So, by working the contests, QSO parties, net checkins, etc. you can rapidly run up your state counts. Also, when you move, you start over. At least, that's the way the ARRL does it and I think that's fair. Anyone on the net a county hunter. I need to talk to you via email. Thanks. 73 der now de k5fo/qrp dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 00:50:45 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 12 Nov 1993 00:50:40 -0500 From: Scott Wood Message-Id: <199311120550.AA22254@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: ARRL QRP Tri-Bander To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 00:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1142 I just picked up the latest revision of the ARRL projects compiled from QST magazine. My brother seems to have permanently borrowed my old "Weekend Projects" book, and made quite a few projects from it, including the 'sardine sender' and the 'tuna tuner'. However, I was more interested in T/R combinations of QRP rigs, as well as the Omni-box utilities which both seem to be covered well in the new book. I was sorta drawn in my the Mavti design, but due to the chronology of the article, I am not sure how many parts I could come by. Be nice to have a T/R rig with a SuperHet receiver. I did however cast a discerning eye on the next project, a tri-bander for 12/15/17 meters. I have even considered getting Doug Demaw's books to try adding a superhet to the design. Has anyone played with this rig? It looks like a fairly simple and spacious design and I was wondering how it worked (especially with the direct conversion receive). swood -- If you receive this signature, please return it to it's rightful owner: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu swood@argo.acs.oakland.edu swood@unix.secs.oakland.edu swood@terminator.cc.umich.edu From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 09:39:14 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA01851; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:39:07 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 093710.13125; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 09:37:10 EST id AA14631; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:29:14 EST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:29:14 EST From: epacyna@auratek.com (Edward Pacyna) Message-Id: <9311121429.AA14631@auratek.com> To: qrp@Think.COM, uunet!vela.acs.oakland.edu!swood@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re: ARRL QRP Tri-Bander > >I did however cast a discerning eye on the next project, a tri-bander >for 12/15/17 meters. I have even considered getting Doug Demaw's books >to try adding a superhet to the design. Has anyone played with this >rig? It looks like a fairly simple and spacious design and I was >wondering how it worked (especially with the direct conversion receive). > >swood > >I have built this transceiver. It is not a very good design. I found the crystal control, lots of AM breakthrough and poor selectivity to be very limiting. 73 Ed W1AAZ From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 09:40:42 1993 Return-Path: id AA19216; Fri, 12 Nov 93 08:39:01 CST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 08:39:01 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311121439.AA19216@aud.alcatel.com> To: bmitchel@cba.kodak.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: NorCal 40 >> I'd like the art work, too! Would be nice to see and I'd like to >> try my hand at making boards, etc. How bout it? Is it a possibility? >> Mike Dooley >> Mike Dooley KE4PC >> Internet: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com >> mail: 202 Lavon Shores Drive >> Princeton, Texas 75407 >> >Well, I don't really have the authority to do that. If you want to >get something in writing from nn1g about putting it on an ftp site, >then we can, but I really don't have authority to give it out any further >than what our club member had talked to nn1g about. I'' bet he doesn't >care, but can't take a chance! > > 73 Brad No problem, Brad. I'll try to get with him or one of the others at the NorCal club. Based on everyones raves about the original, the new one is probably four or five degrees past fabulous! ... Take care! Mike Dooley KE4PC Another Native born Texan! (gosh, Mr. Dillon, where'd ya' get the four call?) From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 12:41:43 1993 Return-Path: <@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU:ABRC@CATCC> Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:12:56 EST Message-Id: <11NOV93.10089906.0081.MUSIC@CATCC> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 09:20:32 EST From: ABRC000 To: Subject: RE: QRP Projects In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of WED 10 NOV 1993 12:03:30 EST > > I would like to make a few comments about the simple QRP transmitter designs > recently submitted by Jeff Herman. These designs were basically obsolete > when published in 1968 and are even more so today as they use transistors that > likely will be quite difficult to obtain. The GE replacement transistors > called for are all PNP Germanium devices. At least the 2N744 and 2N852 parts > are NPN Silicon but even these are quite old. Of course it is certainly > possible to substitute more modern (and readily available) silicon NPN devices > in these circuits with the appropriate changes in battery polarity and biasing > networks. There is much to favor the generic 2222 series transistor (2N2222, > PN2222, MPS2222, etc.) in circuits like these: they are cheap (often 10 for $1 > at hamfest prices, only a little more at Radio Shack), they have a reasonable > gain up to low VHF frequencies, and are available virtually everywhere. Lots > of circuits have been published using them over the years too. > > While I recognize the effort that Jeff went to in posting these schematics, > I think future posts should warn potential builders that obsolete parts are > used. Since QRP is often a new ham's introduction to homebrew, every effort > should be made to use parts that are readily available - why frustrate the > beginner? > > There is nothing wrong with resurrecting older technology as long as you > understand that parts may be hard to find today. The recent firebottle > (vacuum tube) transmitter was a good example. The author tried to remain > faithful to the older designs but still wound up having to substitute a > different tube. [I enjoyed his articles, by the way!] If someone wants to > build a late 1950's to early 1960's vintage QRP transmitter using Germanium > parts, Jeff's posting should be quite useful. For a first-time construction > project, however, I would stick to more modern designs. > 73, Barry WA4VZQ ornitz@kodak.com > also it is my understanding that the purity requirements for gear have changed since the 60's and these circuits may not meet these requirements. There was an aritcle this summer about building projects from the 50's in an issue of QST this summer. They had a sidebar warning of this problem with older projects. Another reason inexperienced builders should stay away from these. ****************************************************************** * Rodney Clayton KA3BHY Howard County Public Schools * * Ellicott City, MD USA * * Systems Programmer ABRC@CATCC.BITNET * ****************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 12:56:22 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311121756.AA01327@Early-Bird.Think.COM> From: es@mvuss.att.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:57 EST Original-From: mvuss!es (Edward S Parsons +1 508 960 6722) To: qrp@Think.COM To: qrp Subject: QRP SS Scores Here is the latest scores I have for the QRP category of CW SS: W2GD 814/76 K0FRP 824/75 W9UP 788/76 W9RE 751/76 AA2U 757/75 K1TR 686/76 WA4PGM 667/76 N0AX 615/76 KB4GID 569/72 N5NMX 465/73 WB2CPU 353/69 KD4HZ 209/63 AE9K 153/54 WA7BNM 100/52 If I receive any more of significance, I will re-issue it. Ed, K1TR es@mvuss.att.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 13:38:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA14569; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:20:53 PST id AA26856; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 10:23:02 -0800 V4.2-12 #4050) id <01H583JO0N2ON9TTG7@gvg47.gvg.tek.com>; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 10:22:23 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:24:41 -0800 From: cleveland@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) Subject: Re: WAS QRP Award To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Cc: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H583JOGPS2N9TTG7@gvg47.gvg.tek.com> X-Envelope-To: qrp@think.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT NOTE: the following is part of an exchange between Chuck and myself regarding the 50 mile rule of the League for WAS awards. Chuck proposes to adopt the League's guidline and I cried "foul." ************************************************************************* >Grover, > >well, let's see. In Texas I can move 600 miles, which is like >moving around 20 states in some areas of the country. > >Have all your moves been within the guidelines set aside by the >ARRL? i.e. 50 miles or less? > >ciao, > >SIG >------cut here---------- >Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 >adams@sgi.com >QRP ARCI Awards Chairman Well the last four moves were within 15 miles but at one point I moved 400 miles. I don't think that's the issue. Once again hard and fast rules prove how silly it is to have hard and fast rules. My moving from southern California to northern California gave me not one whit of advantage in working Maine, or New Hampshire, or Delaware, or anywhere else. The states in the West are generally so large anyway that if you can work someone in Ashland (southern Oregon) when you are in L.A. and then move 400 miles north to Sacramento you still have the same path length to a station in Portland (northern Oregon). Propagation being the crap shoot it is, and random contacts being the norm, my move within the state gave me no advantage at all. Perhaps the rules made sense when the League was all on 200 meters doing short-haul work on ground wave, and it certainly makes sense on vhf, but on the low bands - give me a break. If I work the guy in Maine on 20 meters it was because I was on the air at the same time he was, I ran across the same frequency he was on, and propagation allowed it - not because I was in Sacramento or San Diego or Galveston or Amarillo. So in my book, screw the League's guidelines. It's about time we took to task the blind acceptance of others' rules as gospel and did our own thinking on the matter. I think we are capable of that and in fact we owe it to the organization to develop rules that make sense to us primarily in the context of qrp operating, and secondarily in contemporary patterns of social nomadism (as a society we move a great deal). Grover WT6P qrp#6795 From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 15:40:16 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA13562; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:29:37 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA17290; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:29:29 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA05796; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:29:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:29:27 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311122029.AA05796@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: WAS Rules Gang, It was not the purpose of my correspondance with another member of this group to start an open discussion on the WAS award. The program has been in place for more than 25 years. I don't make the rules and in order to make a change in the rules requires an extensive procedure for the BOD (Board of Directors) and the membership. I quote from a previous posting of the awards program: The objective of the QRP ARCI Operating Awards Program is to demonstrate that "power is no substitute for skill". It encourages full enjoyment of Ham Radio while running the minimum power necessary to complete a QSO and thereby reducing QRM on our crowded bands. QRP is defined by the club as 5 watts output CW and 10 watts PEP output SSB. The following awards are available to any Amateur. Requirements are set forth below. ....stuff deleted.... WAS-QRP This award is issued to any Amateur for confirming QSOs with stations in 20 or more of the 50 states of the USA while running QRP. Endorsement seals are issued at 30, 40 and 50 states confirmed. ....stuff deleted.... 1) The fee for all awards, except QRP NET (QNI-25), is $2.00 US or 10 IRCs. Subsequent Endorsement Seals are $1.00 or 5 IRCs. Make checks or money orders (preferred) payable to QRP ARCI. Cash accepted, but not recommended through the mail. 2) GCR List (General Certificate Rule): QRP ARCI will accept as satisfactory proof of confirmed QSOs and that the QSLs are on hand as claimed by the applicant if the list is signed by: (a) a radio club official, OR (b) two amateur radio operators, general class or higher, OR (c) notary public, OR (d) CPA. If you must send QSLs, please include postage for their return. Neither QRP ARCI or the Awards Chairperson are responsible for lost or damaged QSLs. 3) QRP ARCI member numbers are not published. The Awards Program will accept as satisfactory proof for any of the club awards a QSO with a club member giving their membership number and power output in the log data. If the QRP number and power are not given a QSL is required for confirmation. See Note 2 above. 4) Endorsement seals are available for a) One Band, b) One Mode, c) Natural Power, d) Novice and e) Two-way QRP if log data so indicates. Send Applications to: QRP ARCI AWARDS CHAIRMAN Chuck Adams K5FO 830 Waite Drive Copper Canyon, TX 75067-8581 ------------------end of quote-------------------------- The ARRL requirement of 50 miles or less from the same QTH isn't that much a serious deterent to getting the award. Remember, we start at 20 states, not all 50. We're not trying to do like the CH (County Hunters) and be able to work all 3076 counties by even going there and making a contact to someone else. The function of an award is to have something to show for effort expended on the part of the individual receiving the award. The individual, from one location, spends some time on the air working all or part of the 50 states. It is true that some individuals may have an advantage of geographical location over others due to rarity of band openings to needed states, lack of activity from needed states, band conditions for a single band for the desired award with endorsement, and the list goes on. In fact, QRP WAS #1 was issued Dec 12, 1969. Since that date, only 348 certificates have been issued, and not all of those have reached the 50 mark. So, it's not easy. I think that anyone can get the starting 20 just by working one or two ARCI contests. The question is this: Is it fair to all the individuals that worked to win the award under difficult conditions to have another win the same award with a different set of rules? I think the answer is an obvious no. Do you want a different award? Does the membership want a different award? Time will tell. Also, there is one rule that we have that actually gives you an advantage over other award programs. We DO NOT REQUIRE QSL cards. We all have had trouble getting a QSL card from a needed state, country, .... If you work a fellow QRP ARCI member and exchange numbers, you have a valid contact. The QRP ARCI does not publish the membership list and numbers exactly for this reason. If the club changes this, then we add an additional level of difficulty into the program that would require the QSL cards and all the paper overhead and expense on all parties part. We just have to keep our standards. End of Message. 73 de k5fo SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 12 17:40:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA24284; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:40:19 CST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:40:19 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311122240.AA24284@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: NorCal 40 Wayne, Regarding my faux paux about the NorCal 40... oops... I meant the NN1g and got confused. Since I don't know the fellow, is there a timetable for the release of it as a kit? Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 13 11:24:21 1993 Return-Path: (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0oyNeQ-000079C; Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:16 EST id N20100W Fri, 12 Nov 1993 21:00:14 GMT From: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com (BOB BERLYN) Subject: Sheet Metal Brake ? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:47:06 GMT Message-Id: <9311121700141800@chowda.sbs.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Hi every one ! Does any one know where I can find an small inexpensive (Cheap but not poor quality) sheet metal brake sutable for making cabnets for my QRP projects? I have read some where that JC Whitney had one, but do you think I can find a JC Whitney cataloge, noooooooo, and I cant remember where I read this. If any one has any info on where I might find one, or an address for JC Whitney pls send it along. Thanks Bob Berlyn Bob.Berlyn@Chowda.sbs.com N1PWU From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 13 18:28:02 1993 Return-Path: id AA26218; Sat, 13 Nov 93 18:27:58 -0500 (from nshore!seastar!jjw for qrp@think.com) id m0oyULa-0001jQC; Sat, 13 Nov 93 18:25 EST id m0oyUDp-0000GQC; Sat, 13 Nov 93 17:17 CST Message-Id: From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch) Subject: Xtal Filter impedance ? To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 17:17:36 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: jjw@seastar.org Organization: Welch Research Laboratories X-Location: McHenry, ILLinois 60050-1461 Operating-System: Xenix 2.3.4 SysV/386 Lines: 27 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1321 I've put together a simple home-brew crystal filter for SSB - 9 pole using 12MHz computer crystals matched with a simple oscillator. Since it's important to match each section for best performance, I built a simple wheatstone bridge and measured the filter with it. At resonance, it seems to be about 150-200 ohms, and at other frequencies it's over 5k. My question is, is this a functional way to measure the filter's impedance? It sure seems low, given that the ARRL's articles all seem to be in the 2-5k range, and commercially available filters are likewise. Am I missing something? The filter seems to be about 3.2khz wide, and fed at 150 ohms the filter attenuation maxes out at about 60db. It's built with 9 xtals in series, fed by a 91pf SM cap, with 91pf caps from each junction to ground, and it ends with a 91pf cap as well. The xtals are within 200hz of each other when I put them in a test oscillator, but this bears no resemblance to the actual series-resonant frequency (which I may be able to measure with the bridge too - more later). Any light that can be shed on this would be appreciated. Oh, I do not have access to piles of old QSTs, so if there is an article in there that's relevant I'd like a readers digest condensed version if you could. Thanks in advance. -- John Welch, N9JZW From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 13 22:26:51 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA05268; Sat, 13 Nov 93 19:26:41 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA21519; Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:26:36 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA07638; Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:26:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:26:36 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311140326.AA07638@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew es QRPp Review Gang, I received a few days ago in the mail two items: QRPp - Journal of the Northern California QRP Club and Hambrew - for Amateur Radio Designers and Builders. Let me give my impressions of both, and these are my impressions and mine alone. HAMBREW QRPp Date Autumn 1993 December 1993 Pages (including cover) 48 pages 60 pages Size 5.5"W x 8.5"H 5.5"W x 8.5"H Weight 2.7oz 2.3oz (weighed on electronic postal scale) Postage, if mailed 1st $0.75 $0.75 I don't have the 3rd class rates........ Paper 60lb slick 20lb nongloss Pictures 3 full page shots B&W No full page photos including F&B covers 22 B&W Photos (good qua.) 1 B&W Photo (scanned) total space of 10 pgs about 1/3 page total Cartoons 2/3 of a page total none Advertising 4.5 pages none HAMBREW ARTICLES (already table of contents posted to net) 1. Ramsey 30 Meter Transmitter Kit Review - Ramsey might go after them after this one. They changed the box (RS), added LED pwr, and other stuff to really canabalize (sp?) the thing. I personally don't think the results could be counted as a Ramsey kit. :-) I really didn't like the way they split the article after one page and continued toward the last of the publication. They did this in a bunch of places. A definite turnoff for me. 2. Zapp The DX With The Zapper - how to build a mobile antenna for about $30 to $50 using PVC es stuff. "The Zapper" a play on the "Bug Catcher". ;-) Cute. 3. The NorthWest QRP Club "30-30" CW Transmitter by KG7CR. A crystal controlled QRP rig. 2.5 pages including one page for schematic and parts list and .5 page for winding toroids. Not much meat at all, like maybe a PC board layout for those who are interested. And other articles, which I leave for the others in the group to give us their feedback on. I wasn't too thrilled myself, but that's just me, I'm sure. QRPp Articles (already a table of contents posted to the net, I think) 1. A bunch of articles by various people from this group, including yours truly. So, a bunch of it will be review for those who read this group. 2. Article by Wayne Burdick, N6KR, designer and father of the NorCal 40 Rig! This article alone is worth the $5 price for a whole years subscription to the newsxxxxx ooops, Journal of the Northern California QRP Club. :-) Four pages of the description of the circuits and two full pages for the schematics. So, those of you who did not get to buy the kit, here's your chance to get a look at it. No PC board layout. We'll let Wayne worry about that deal. It's his puppy, so to speak. 3. Three and a half pages on an Audio Filter by Jim Pepper, W6QIF, including graphs of frequency responses and circuit diagrams. 4. Three and a half pages with NorCal Club members, numbers, and addresses. I see some of you there in the list. Who's who of the internet. :-) And I didn't want to get too detailed in the reviews. Summary. Hambrew - $20 per year, four issues sent 3rd CLASS mail. QRPp - $5 per year, four issues sent 1st CLASS mail. I enjoyed the QRPp more and spent more time wading through it, since it has more print and more info and a lot fewer pictures and advertising. Hambrew, P.O. Box 260083, Lakewood, CO 80226-0083 $20/yr QRPp, Jim Cates, WA6GER, 3241 Eastwood Rd., Sacramento, CA 95821 $5/yr I don't think that Hambrew is aimed or going to attempt to do much for the QRP crowd. I got a call from George De Grazio, WF0K, Publisher, after I called on his 800-5-HAM-RIG number to see where my copy was. I received a copy first class mail a few days letter with note that this was a sample issue. What? I paid $20 for one year plus a bonus issue. Does he not have me down as a regular subscriber? Those of you who have not received your issue, call him. Since they are being sent 3RD Class mail and we know what the US Postal Service does to third class mail, I'd check up on it. Oh. There will be no back issues of QRPp. Issue will be mailed out Dec 1, 1993 first class mail. Be sure to get your money in post haste. DISCLAIMER: I am a member of the NorCal Club, but I don't get anything special from them, so this is a review on what I have seen. The above is my opinion(s) and I'd be glad to have anyone in this group that has seen the Hambrew issue and disagrees with the review, let US know. I make errors, but rarely. :-) dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Sat Nov 13 22:51:58 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA07809; Sat, 13 Nov 93 19:51:49 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA21533; Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:51:45 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA07648; Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:51:45 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:51:45 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311140351.AA07648@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: K5FO Special Gang, Here is a teaser. Are you interested? The K5FO special is a modified single board version of the NN1G rig, with some mods. Board about 3.5x5.5", but not layed out yet in final form. 1. Single Band XCVR 80/40/30/20 versions 2. Single Board 3. Superhet Receiver 4. CW Transmitter with QSK 5. AGC for Receiver 6. S-Meter 7. Optional Digital Display for Frequency Readout on another board 8. Optional area for Curtis 8044ABM chip 9. KIT available from at least one place and maybe more. Price target to be around $100 US currency. This includes digital board also, but not the Curtis Chip. Not available until it's published, either in QRP ARCI or the QRPp journal. I'm just seeing if anyone is interested. I'm still trying to figure out why one would want to undergo the hassle of gathering parts and making a board themselves. Life is too short, unless it's just for the experience. Financial reasons, just don't cut it. It'll cost one more money in time, energy, gasoline, etc. to do it alone. But that's just my opinion. So, for those of you who just gotta do it that way, I'll let you. But, please don't rush me on this one. I've got a prototype of everything, but I'm laying out the board. Shooting for no jumpers and a fit for my case. I told Wayne Burdick and Doug Hendricks that I could write a program to do the board layout, just like I did the schematic routines that I have. Told them I'd do it in two days. Took me about four, 'cuz of my schedule. :-) It's written all in C, but it's not an autorouter. I did that 20 years ago and I don't wanna do that ever again. That's why you don't see anyone publish articles in ANY journal on how to do it, they develop their own routines and then go into business selling the binaries. Last week, I got my system upgraded from a 33MIPS to an 85MIPS processor. Talk about a screaming machine!! Right there on the desk top too. When I taught EE in 1975, at that time I told the students in 10 years they would have the power of the IBM 360/50 on their desk. That came true. Now we have the power of the first CRAY supercomputer available at a significantly reduced price. So, you now know what the K5FO Special is. Inquiring minds wanted to know. The idea for the digital board is also being used by someone else that I talk to. Great minds run......... Another article to follow shortly on upcoming contests, for the contest crowd. Doug wants an article on how to setup for contests. I'm not the expert, but I'll start it and the rest can join in. We'll make it a net effort. Everybody welcome to throw in their two cents worth. NO CONTEST FLAMES PLEASE............ Let's think positive. OH. For those of you interested. I went to a DX club meeting today (Saturday) and they mentioned that the CW ops on 40 meters were writing to CQ magazine complaining about SSB ops way way down in the band for the CQ WW Test a few weeks ago. If you were affected(effected), you might want to join in on the protest. I think I will, cuz the 7040 frequency was constantly occupied. It's not enough that we gotta fight the digital guys tooooooo. :-) ciao from k5fo/qrp on vacation for one week ( oh oh, the guy is gonna be prolific (sp?) now).......... SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 14 00:51:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA29150; Sat, 13 Nov 1993 21:49:18 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 21:49:18 -0800 Message-Id: <9311140549.AA29150@holonet.net> To: QRP@Think.COM From: ROHRWERK@holonet.net Subject: R2/T2 On 11-09-93, cfishman@PICA.ARMY.MIL wrote to qrp@Think.COM: >------------------------------------ and am now building up a few of the R2 and T2 boards. I am including >------------------------------------ Not having a test lab, I'm scared off of these by only one thing: the matching of the inductors (and capacitors, but this is less of a problem since close tolerance units are available). What's the easiest way to measure inductors (and capacitors) precisely in this value range, reasonably cheaply? (Or, more accurately, provide relative readings for matching?) I have: a couple digital multimeters, an old Tek 533 scope, and could build an audio oscillator. The only other obstacle is buying lots of the inductors to match 'em. I wonder if the Toko adjustable inductors from Digi-Key would work? Would the Q's, wire resistances, and other differences throw off the filter design? John K0JD --- * Freddie 1.2.5 * J.S. Bach of Borg: "Your style will be assimilated" From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 14 10:59:47 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA22394; Sun, 14 Nov 93 07:59:42 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA22293; Sun, 14 Nov 93 09:59:40 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA08073; Sun, 14 Nov 93 09:59:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 09:59:40 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311141559.AA08073@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: K5FO Special addendum Sorry gang. Didn't mean to scare anyone. It does have RIT, I promise it does. You can't live without RIT. It's the sign of the times. Too many people don't know how offsets work. Someone on this group could do an article for the newbies and the OFs on how this offset and RIT stuff works. What does it mean +/- RIT? I'm writing other things. YOU DO IT. :-) SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 14 17:22:14 1993 Return-Path: Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:20 EST for Think.COM!qrp id m0oypn7-0000vAC; Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:19 EST Message-Id: From: andrews@fms.com (Andrew Sargent N8OFS) Subject: Any MARS Members??? To: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu (boatanchors ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 17:19:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM (qrp ) Reply-To: andrews@telemax.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 470 Hello again gang, I was wondering if I could find any MARS members on 'boatanchors' or the 'qrp' mailing lists. BTW, anybody know of any other mailing lists besides these two and 'cq-contest'? -- Tell Me Something I Don't Know, ! HAM = N8OFS Show Me Something I Can Use, ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT Push The Buttons, ! CB = THE NEON KNIGHT Connect The God-Damn Dots!!! - Ministry ! HACKER = TH3 N30N KN16Ht From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 14 22:36:17 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA11019; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:36:13 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 223407.21454; Sun, 14 Nov 1993 22:34:07 EST id m0oyuft-0007L9C; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:32 EST Message-Id: From: rich@mulvey.com Subject: Norcal 40 completed To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 22:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1118 Well, I got my Norcal 40 kit in the mail on Friday. After sorting out the parts, it took me a total of about 5 hours to build it for the Novice band. I hooked it up, and the receiver worked immediately, with about a 35 KHZ band spread. I tried the transmitter - no go. An hour later, I discovered that I hadn't stripped the insulation from one of the transmit-mixer toroids completely. :-( Once I got THAT fixed, everything worked fine - about 2 watts out. I haven't tried any QSO's yet, since the antenna connection at this point consists of me pressing the PL-259 up against the BNC connector. :-) The Troubleshooting section and schematic were infinately helpful. My first impression is that the sensitivity of the kit is pretty good - I could hear anything that I could pick out on my MFJ rig, with the exception of the very weakest signals. As I haven't completely aligned it yet, that may change, too. The transmitted signal has a very nice note to it. I'll provide some further comments after I actually get the rig on the air after work tomorrow. Look for N2VDS on the air. :-) - Rich From qrp-request@Think.COM Sun Nov 14 22:45:52 1993 Return-Path: id AA29844; Sun, 14 Nov 93 21:44:29 CST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 21:44:29 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311150344.AA29844@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Slugs pace Howard and all... A slugs pace... 2400 bps... ... I remember when I upgraded from 110 to 300 bps. Boy, an almost threefold increase! THen, SEVERAL years later the 1200 bps MODEMS came within reach... The no-names dipped under $100.00... and I upgraded... THEN, just 3 months ago I bought a new, Hayes, 2400B internal at Sams for the unheard of sum of $25.00. Thats right 2400 for $25.00. Ya' know, I have access to the 9600 and 14.4 stuff at work, but I still remember that old 110 bps MODEM from just 10 years ago [sniff]. Gosh I'm glad it's gone!!! Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 00:28:10 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for think.com!qrp); Sun, 14 Nov 1993 21:27:40 -0800 id m0oyowb-000037C; Sun, 14 Nov 93 21:25 GMT Message-Id: From: jerry@tr2.com Subject: Re: Slugs pace To: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 21:25:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311150344.AA29844@aud.alcatel.com> from "Michael S. Dooley" at Nov 14, 93 09:44:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 820 > > Howard and all... > A slugs pace... 2400 bps... ... I remember when > I upgraded from 110 to 300 bps. *** And I remember when I homebrewed my first modem. 300 bps... No, actually 0-600 bps. I used this trick Motorola chip that had 90% of the circuitry in it. So what if I had to build my own hybrids and active filters! I've still got the thing, too. Can't seem to bring myself to throw it away. Although now that I think of it, there just might be an 80M crystal in there.... - Jerry Kaidor -- *************************************************************** * Jerry Kaidor jerry@tr2.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com * * KF6VB * *************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 01:17:19 1993 Return-Path: id AA08187; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:16:43 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:16:43 PST From: dh@deneb.csustan.edu (Doug Hendricks) Message-Id: <9311150616.AA08187@deneb.csustan.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: QRPp Dec. Issue Gang, Issue #3 of QRPp will be mailed Dec. 1st, 1993. It is back from the printers, and now I need to collate, fold, staple, and address all of the pages. It is 60 pages long, as Chuck has said. We now have 172 members of NorCal QRP club, and 143 subscribers to QRPp, the Journal of the NorCal QRP Club. If you are interested in joining NorCal, membership is free, but to receive the Journal, QRPp, which is published 4 times per year, we ask that you pay a $5 subscription to offset the costs of printing and mailing. The goal of QRPp is to provide information about QRP. It is not to make money as you can obviously see from the amount that we charge. I subscribe to most of the QRP magazines, and will say that QRPp is not designed to take the place of any of them, just as a vehicle to dessiminate information. I started the Journal for several reasons, one of which was that I wanted to see if I could do it. There seemed to be a void here on the West Coast as far as QRP groups go, and NorCal was in the right place at the right time. I also felt that there were many talented people that I knew who had information that deserved to be printed and preserved. It is a crime to not share the wealth of your knowledge with others. Another reason for the journal was the advice of Jim Fitton, W1FMR. Jim help me tremendously when Jim Cates, Wayne Burdick and I were forming NorCal. In fact, he is still helping me. Jim told me that to start a QRP club and make it successful, you needed several ingredients. First a coordinator, second a newsletter editor, and third, a technical advisor. Boy was he ever right. We took his advice to the letter, and look what has happened with NorCal QRP Club. Chuck Adams posted a review of the December issue of QRPp. I appreciate his comments, and I have a suggestion. If you want QRP information take your $20 and join the NW QRP Club, the NE QRP Club and NorCal QRP Club. You will get a lot more information that pertains to QRP. If you want to receive the December issue of QRPp, Jim Cates must have your application and $5 by Nov. 24, 1993. He needs your name, call, address, city, state, and zipcode. Jim's address is: Jim Cates, WA6GER 3241 Eastwood Rd. Sacramento, CA 95821 Jim is the Coordinator of NorCal QRP Club. I am the editor of the QRPp, but Jim gets all the money and pays all the bills. Have a good week, and keep the mail coming. 72, Doug From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 09:38:43 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA01744; Mon, 15 Nov 93 06:38:36 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA24567; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:38:33 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA12178; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:38:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:38:31 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311151438.AA12178@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew Revisited Gang, Something bothered me last week in doing the review of QRPp and Hambrew. I noted that there was an article on a mobile antenna called "The Zapper". In fact the article title is "Zapp The DX With The Zapper" by Larry Feick, NF0Z. It bothered me that the diagram looked familiar, almost like a commercial product I had seen somewhere, but wasn't sure. In fact, it kept bothering me until this morning very very early (I'm ashamed to admit I was up so early) I just whipped out the pile of journals and mags and what do you know? Yep. The QRP Quarterly, January 1990, page 7 and 1/4 of page 8, is the same article. So, looks like we are getting recycled articles. Letter off to George to let him know what I think of that. :-) So, I'm up for a refund myself. Let you know how it goes. 73 fer now es cul de k5fo dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 10:11:08 1993 Return-Path: id AA11471; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:10:26 MST id AA25109; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:10:29 MST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:10:29 MST From: Doug Datwyler Message-Id: <9311151510.AA25109@moons> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Hambrew As I said before, I think Hambrew sucks, but maybe it can be made better. Doug Datwyler WR7O datwyler@moons.sim.es.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 13:14:09 1993 Return-Path: id m0oz8Py-0001qJC; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:12 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: flea market yummies To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 13:12:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: pjk@cyphyn.radnet.com (Peter Keyes) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 651 I was at the Scara flea market ( the one in CT ) and came home with all kinds of antique transistors. Rather than send the whole list and info on them HERE, I'll E-mail individually to anyone interested.. Wow..I stepped back in time seeing those 60's transistors. Also got chassies, tubes and this-n-thats to start making 3-4 watt xmits and receivers ( even the IF xformers too!) -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 14:45:20 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/LAI-3.2) id AA22597; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 13:46:14 -0600 id AA06982; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:40:33 CST id AA01271; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:40:32 CST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:40:32 CST From: mstrong@raiders.micro.ti.com (Mike Strong) Message-Id: <9311151940.AA01271@raiders.micro> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: flea market yummies Randy, congratulations on the great finds at the Scara flea market. I was at the Houston Ham-Commvention on Saturday looking forward to finding parts, tubes and crystals. I was really disappointed in the flea market. No tubes, no small parts. Was finally able to find a couple of 40m Novide band crystals, but that was about it. The commercial exhibit was much better. In addition to the big displays by the big 3, MFJ had a big set-up. Was able to play around with the MFJ qrp rigs. Also got to talk to the folks from Mr. Nicad about gel cels and chargers, etc. The HIGH point of the day was finding the exhibit by Tejas Electronics, makers of the BackPacker 2. I think I have the name of the company right. Even saw pictures of the famous BackPacker 2 owned, built and operated by Chuck Adams. We yacked about QRP in general and Chuck in particular for 15 minutes. There was a constant stream of self-professed satisfied customers coming by the table. There seems to be a lot of interest in QRP here in Houston, if the activity at the Tejas table is any indication. BTW, Tejas sells hard to find small parts (air variables, verniers, power trans- istors, small cabinets, etc.) that are not in his catalog. You might drop him a line if you are interested. I don't have his catalog here at work, so I can't post his address. I'll try to remember the catalog tomorrow if anyone is interested in his address/phone number, etc. Back to work. 72 de Mike KT5H mstrong@raiders.micro.ti.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 16:12:12 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA04765; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:12:07 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA28000; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:12:00 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA14455; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:11:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:11:50 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311152111.AA14455@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Mike KT5H's post Gang, wow, rumors grow. Pictures must of been of the first Backpacker I that I built. I never owned a II. :-) ciao, SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 16:56:29 1993 Return-Path: Nov 1993 15:55:45 CST To: qrp@Think.COM From: gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) Subject: FOR SALE: HW-8 (repost from rec.radio.swap) Date: Message-Id: this is from rec.radio.swap. Should interest someone on here if they work fast. Do not e-mail me, but call the seller please. Kevin Anderson, kb9iua --- Forwarded message follows --- From: sford@arrl.org (Steve Ford) Subject: FOR SALE: HW-8 Date: 15 Nov 93 15:11:28 EST FOR SALE: Heath HW-8 QRP transceiver. Operates on 80, 40, 20 and 15 meters with 2 watts output. Direct conversion receiver. CW only. Excellent condition, power supply and manual included. $90 Call Dave Patterson at (513) 890-4045 after 6pm. You can also fax anytime at (513) 898-8925. (This message posted on behalf of the seller. He does not have Internet access.) --Steve, WB8IMY ARRL From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 17:55:33 1993 Return-Path: <@batdd6.pica.army.mil:klaudon@batdd6> 15 Nov 93 17:49 EST id AA29664; Mon, 15 Nov 93 17:49:58 EST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 17:49:58 EST From: klaudon@PICA.ARMY.MIL Message-Id: <9311152249.AA29664@batdd6.batdd1.pica.army.mil> To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com Subject: Re: K5FO Special Cc: qrp@Think.COM Count me in. I missed out on getting the NorCal 40, and I am interested in the at-or-under 100 dollar qrp kit. But make sure it has a good dial mechanism and calibration, in case I order it w/o the digital option, to save $. How about some kind of transmit indication? Did you mention sidetone? Audio filter? 72, Kalman ------------------------------ Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land ------------------------------ From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 18:36:43 1993 Return-Path: (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for QRP@Think.COM); Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:36:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:36:19 -0600 From: Arnett Message-Id: <199311152336.AA14507@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: QRP@Think.COM, wrfin@prairienet.org Subject: SSB qrp Here's a question I got from a local friend. I don't think 20m is doing too bad (except for last weekend, when due to a mental lapse I was QRO from W9YH for the WAE RTTY tst. Propagation just wasn't there Saturday as we only worked 3 European stn's.) ----begin forwarded mail----- From wrfin@firefly.prairienet.org Mon Nov 15 14:50:27 1993 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:49:33 -0600 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for aaa33750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:49:10 -0600 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:49:01 -0600 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for kb9fko@uiuc.edu); Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:47:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:47:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199311152047.AA28815@firefly.prairienet.org> X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: wrfin@prairienet.org (william r finch) To: kb9fko@uiuc.edu Subject: QRP - fact or fiction? Reply-To: wrfin@prairienet.org X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R I was just wondering how the QRP stuff is going. I am thinking about doing some QRP SSB on 20, but wondering if it's worth the trouble. Is 20 open these days? Do QRP stations get eaten alive? Inquiring minds want to know... 73's de KF9KI ---end forwarded msg------ You can mail Bill, KF9KI, at wrfin@prairienet.org. Thanks a bunch! Drew Arnett kb9fko@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL (and sometimes heard from W9YH) ps. I'm sending BIll the e-mail list subscription info. Hey, if anyone can work QRP during SS phone, then it must be possible... From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 20:17:32 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311160116.AA23626@Early-Bird.Think.COM> (5.65c+/10jsm) id AA24504; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:14:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:14:12 -0500 From: david jerome adams To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, klaudon@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Re: K5FO Special Cc: qrp@Think.COM Could someone fill me in on the k5fo kit? I must have missed that message. Dave From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 21:18:53 1993 Return-Path: id AA20585; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 21:18:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: howie cahn Subject: QRP contest operating techniques To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I posed this question about qrp contest operating practices to the cq-contest reflector last week. I'd like to get a different perspective from people on this list. Running between 1/2 and 4 watts, I'm quite a bit weaker than the 'big gun' contest stations. Particularly on weak paths, I can hear them, say, S8 to S9, while they hear me at S2 or S3. During the SS I was experimenting with different ways of sending exchanges to complete QSO's most efficiently for both of us. Conventional wisdom says not to repeat information unless asked. Under marginal conditions I tried doing the following: a. routinely repeating info on the first try that I thought was likely to be missed. b. if asked to repeat something, I'd sometimes keep repeating it until the receiving station acknowledged receipt. (I have good QSK and can hear them fine.) I think these things helped; both in cutting down the number of fills required, and most importantly, cutting down the number of QSO's lost when the other op gave up on me. Anyone have any opinions?? Thanks/73, howie, wb2cpu howi@world.std.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 15 22:20:40 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311160320.AA28714@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Mon, 15 Nov 93 22:20:18 EST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:37:58 PST From: mont@ibmmail.COM To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: K5FO Special > I'm just seeing if anyone is interested. Yeah! Sounds super... as long as the rcvr's not an NE602 special. Too many AM stations around the bay area to fool with. > I'm still trying to figure out why one would want to undergo the hassle > of gathering parts and making a board themselves. Life is too short, unless > it's just for the experience. Financial reasons, just don't cut it. It'll > cost one more money in time, energy, gasoline, etc. to do it alone. But > that's just my opinion. So, for those of you who just gotta do it that > way, I'll let you. But, please don't rush me on this one. I've got a > prototype of everything, but I'm laying out the board. Shooting for > no jumpers and a fit for my case. Your absolutely right, Chuck. $100 is a great price for a kit like this. Only problem is, it seems like for us newbees with limited funds, it's $100 for this, $25 for that, another $50 for something else... Phew... it adds up quick. And when you try to tell the XYL (whose not a ham btw), uh hum, well you know what I mean. They seem to think it's more important to keep shoes on the kids and things like that then to buy ham gear. And yeah.... Some of us haven't etch too many boards to be tired of it yet. I've only etch about 3 board personally, so it's still fun doing it. And chasing after parts is kind of challenging too, especially when you can't find something, encourages one to experiement a little. I've put a few kits together that came with ALL the parts included. Didn't even learn anything about how the ciruit worked. Just plug in the parts, solder, cut leads, plug in some more parts, solder, cut leads. Sounds sort of mundane. Guess it all depends on how you look at it. What do they say about taking trips? Sometimes half the fun is in getting there? I guess I enjoy the building process as much or more then the end result, while many others I'm sure just want to get it done and over with so they can use the new rig. After a few more dozen years and a few more dozen projects, I'll probably be like that too, but for now... So whenever you complete the project Chuck I sure will be happy if I can get the schematics, pcb template, and parts list. Would you consider selling a kit with just the parts and a copy of the pcb TEMPLATE? (I had to ask..) Tnx & 73, km6wt - mont, mont@netcom.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 06:56:44 1993 Return-Path: id AA12054; Tue, 16 Nov 93 06:59:08 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 16 Nov 1993 06:56:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 06:56:25 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311161156.AA04520@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Naming the K5FO Special Well I gotta give Chuck a little credit! He wants to let us people that want to make p.c. boards happy even if he doesn't necessarily agree with the process! As I told Chuck, rumors must not be true, there is some kindness in that Texan blood somewhere. %:-) I think that's a good qrp spirit to bring this k5fo sp-1 into light. btw is that the correct designation for this rig? 73 all Brad WB8YGG From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 08:14:32 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA01823; Tue, 16 Nov 93 05:14:23 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA00764; Tue, 16 Nov 93 07:14:19 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA01499; Tue, 16 Nov 93 07:14:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 07:14:18 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311161314.AA01499@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Name the Rig Gang, I never thought much about the name. NN1G came out with the NN1G Mark II, which I assume will be in the next issue of the quarterly due out in January 1994. I don't know if you realize it, but it's about time for another year to be down the tubes. :-) Everybody seems to be naming rigs after their call signs. Guess it gives them immortality or something like that. I open to suggestions. For now I'm thinking of calling it the K5FO+1, cause the K5FO-1 (is that K5FO one? K5FO minus one? ....). Or maybe the K5FO.1 pronounced "K5FO dot 1". Great minds are working on this one. :-) OK, average minds are working on this one. I'll make the PostScript copy of the PC board available, so you hackers can have fun. I'm shooting for 3.5x4.5" board size. All resisitors laid out flat for the newbies and all the same length, so if you wanna use the resistor guide, you know - the red triangular critter that allows to fold the leads over to a specified length, but I find that boring and can look at two holes on a board and fold the leads perfectly everytime. That's when you know you've built too much. :-) MY favorite two tools. A pair of diagonal cutters ("dikes", but isn't that a term used for something else nowdays?) from Sears. These allow me to cut leads off the board as close as I want, and I mean CLOSE. A pair of chain-nose pliers. These are the very very pointed and small pliars used for bending leads, getting critters that you've dropped out of the far corners of rig. It seems that dropped parts follow Murphey's Law - where can I hide or lodge myself where the owner will expend the most time, energy, and effort to get me loose? OK, back to my vacation. 73 dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 11:33:02 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311161633.AA00209@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Tue, 16 Nov 93 11:32:23 EST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:30:17 PST From: mont@ibmmail.COM To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Name the rig I thought "K5FO Special" was a pretty good name. :) km6wt From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 11:51:54 1993 Return-Path: (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0ozTd5-000MNhC; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:51 PST (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ozTfI-0000hYC; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:54 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:54:04 PST From: Spence S Wilhelm Message-Id: <931116085404_2@ccm.hf.intel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: fun with simple direct conversion receivers Text item: Text_1 I have been building a 30 meter direct conversion receiver. I got the idea from reading articles in QST and 73 mag about two receivers that use NE602 and LM386 audio chips, the Sudden Receiver and the Neophyte Receiver. So far I have been reluctant to purchase a kit, the engineer in me makes me try crazy things like building from scratch. It has taken me about a week to get the board prepared and populated with components. Last night I finished by adding an antenna jack and fired the receiver up. Initially I heard only a loud hiss from the audio amplifier, bummer. On a whim I replaced the NE602 and immediately heard a short wave broadcast station. It took only a few minutes to get to get the thing aligned and it works! I'm hooked. All night long I dreamed about QRP home brew. Now I have plans to add a transmitter, RIT, AGC, QSK,... Come to think of it maybe buying a kit isn't such a bad idea. :-) 73, kb7tcy, spence wilhelm spence_s_wilhelm@ccm.ch.intel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 12:38:32 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29469; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:38:14 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 123717.25227; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 12:37:17 EST id AA21467; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:16:50 EST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:16:50 EST From: epacyna@auratek.com (Edward Pacyna) Message-Id: <9311161716.AA21467@auratek.com> To: uunet!Think.COM!qrp@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Commerical SSB Filters Cc: ed@auratek.com For those of you who want to homebrew a SSB transceiver or update an existing radio, I have some commerical SSB filters for sale. They are new and have a center frequency of 9.000Mhz. The BW is 2.4KHz and I believe they are 8 pole. The input/output impedance is 500 ohms. The are about 1 1/2"L x 1"W x 3/4"H, and metal encased. Price is $48 each shipped in US. Ed Pacyna W1AAZ email: ed@auratek.com tel: (617) 290-4800 x114 From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 14:19:18 1993 Return-Path: id <2CE94325@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>; Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:16:21 PST From: "Webb, Ted" To: QRP-Request Subject: Subscribe Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:14:00 PST Message-Id: <2CE94325@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Please subscribe thanks. ted webb / AC4CS TWebb@clemsonSC.NCR.COM From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 16:48:03 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA03249; Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:47:55 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA05761; Tue, 16 Nov 93 15:47:44 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA03551; Tue, 16 Nov 93 15:47:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 15:47:43 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311162147.AA03551@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: NN1G Mark II Good thing that I didn't copy the board. Small problem with it. New boards are being created. The price for the kit for the NN1G is going up. 73 SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 17:53:43 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:53:36 -0600 From: david kohn Message-Id: <199311162253.AA20020@ua.d.umn.edu> Subject: source for DPDT foot sw's To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:53:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 181 Hello folks, Can anyone recommend a source for DPDT footswitches? I'd like to be able to switch fx in/out of the signal path... Thanks much, Dave Kohn KG0FK dkohn@ub.d.umn.edu From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 17:49:48 1993 Return-Path: id AA08245; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:49:35 HST id AA06411; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:49:34 HST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:49:34 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Chuck's rig Message-Id: I bet Chuck is being inundated with questions and requests. I'll make mine simple: Would you consider just providing the schematic [even for a fee]. That's it! Just the schematic, nothing else. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 21:11:59 1993 Return-Path: (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for qrp@think.com); Tue, 16 Nov 1993 20:11:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 20:11:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199311170211.AA14021@firefly.prairienet.org> From: wrfin@prairienet.org (william r finch) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: MFJ 9420X Reply-To: wrfin@prairienet.org Does anybody have any info on the MFJ 20M SSB rig? Please let me know, 73s de KF9KI From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 21:15:09 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA13725; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:15:00 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA11510; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:24:09 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA03952; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:24:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:24:09 -0600 From: root@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Super-User) Message-Id: <9311170024.AA03952@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Chuck's rig Schematic ok too. It's for everyone, come one, come all, come on down..... :-) I'll let everyone know when it's ready. Remember, I'm on vacation. :-) whatever that means---------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^ SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 23:14:48 1993 Return-Path: <73043.1704@CompuServe.COM> id XAA14493; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 23:14:41 -0500 Date: 16 Nov 93 21:19:07 EST From: "Judy l. Schnabolk" <73043.1704@CompuServe.COM> To: QRP List Subject: Receiver PCB's For Sale Message-Id: <931117021906_73043.1704_DHS34-1@CompuServe.COM> Hi Folks I hope all this for sale posting is OK. Just trying to clear out some stuff I don't plan to get around to using that my be of interest to you QRP homebrewers. I have two sets of PCB boards to build a compact receiver. The boards are for a receiver that orginally appeared in Ham Radio 11/83 and in the Radio Handbook by Editors and Engineers (Bill Orr W6SAI) in chapter 10 (Portable and Mobile Equipment). The boards are as follows. 1. Main board is 3 5/16" x 2" and has the circuitry for a grounded base FET RF amp., MOSFet mixer, MOSFet IF amp., MOSFet Product detector , LM386 audio amp. and an audio derived agc. 2. VFO board is 1 9/16" x 1 7/8" and has the circuitry for a FET hartley oscillator and a MOSFet amp/buffer. 3a BFO board is 9/16" x 1 1/4" and has the circuitry for a FET crystal oscillator. 3b BFO board is 1 3/16" x 1 1/16" and has the circuitry for a FET oscillator using a 455KHz ceramic resonator. 4. Active antenna board is 1 7/16" x 1 1/16" and has the circuitry for a MOSFet volt- age probe antenna. Note: only needed if you want to use receiver with a whip ant. There is a lot of flexibility with this receiver. It can be constructed very small (enclosure 2" x 2" x 4" or less), varied band plans (i.e. 9Mhz or 45KHz IF) and for 20/80M or any band for that matter. It would make a nice receiver for travel, net monitoring, or use with a companion transmiter. I have two sets available as follows: 1. Board #'s 1, 2, 3a and 4 for $15 2. Board #'s 1,3b and 4 (no VFO board) for $12 Boards are soder plated and drilled and include a copy of articles above. Ed W1AAZ Reply to: ed@auratek.com or (617) 290-4800 x114 days From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 23:27:06 1993 Return-Path: (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for qrp@think.com); Tue, 16 Nov 1993 22:26:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 22:26:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199311170426.AA19602@firefly.prairienet.org> From: wrfin@prairienet.org (william r finch) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: MFJ 9240 Reply-To: wrfin@prairienet.org Greetings, I posted a message earlier requesting info about the MFJ 9240. I saw when I got my copy that the return address was missing, so here it is: wrfin@prairienet.org Thanks and 73s de KF9KI From qrp-request@Think.COM Tue Nov 16 23:40:19 1993 Return-Path: id <2CE97B5D@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>; Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:16:13 PST From: "Webb, Ted" To: QRP-Request Subject: Personal Info Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 16:54:00 PST Message-Id: <2CE97B5D@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 NAME: Ted Webb Call: AC4CS EMail: TWebb@clemsonSC.NCR.COM QRP RIGS(s): None at present but lots of wires Interests: building small projects, designing operating aids, antennas, chasing DX Comments: New to QRP - looking for starter projects for portable operation From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 00:10:18 1993 Return-Path: id AA13999; Tue, 16 Nov 93 21:10:22 -0800 Message-Id: <9311170108.AA23817@itgmsm> From: laurahal@microsoft.com To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: K5FO Special Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:08:00 PST X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Chuck Adams writes: > Here is a teaser. Are you interested? > > The K5FO special is a modified single board version of the > NN1G rig, with some mods. Board about 3.5x5.5", but not layed > out yet in final form. (lots of nice stuff deleted...) Yes. One thought on kits for this: in my homebrew travels, it's usually the active components that are the hard ones to find. I'm currently homebrewing a 30m superhet, and though my junkbox doesn't contain many dual-gate MOSFETS, it contains all the resistors and capacitors and stuff I need. I even stole some nifty switches from a dead tv set. So how would people feel about a semi-kit: say, a PC board and the stuff that is known to be hard to come by, and you can scrounge the rest. > OH. For those of you interested. I went to a DX club meeting today > (Saturday) > and they mentioned that the CW ops on 40 meters were writing to CQ magazine > complaining about SSB ops way way down in the band for the CQ WW Test a few > weeks ago. If you were affected(effected), you might want to join in on > the protest. I think I will, cuz the 7040 frequency was constantly occupied. > It's not enough that we gotta fight the digital guys tooooooo. :-) I heard some folks on 3705 LSB the other night and was not impressed. Though us Canadians are only restricted by the bandwidth of our signals and are not bound by U.S. band plans, plunking oneself down in the midst of the Novice band (and being quite rude about it) is just not cool. And with propagation the way it was, these folks (VE2s) were running at least the legal limit for me to be able to hear them. 73 from Burnaby laura VE7LDH apologizing for the behaviour of some of her countrypeople From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 00:20:52 1993 Return-Path: <73043.1704@CompuServe.COM> id AAA18884; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 00:20:48 -0500 Date: 16 Nov 93 22:10:50 EST From: "Judy l. Schnabolk" <73043.1704@CompuServe.COM> To: QRP List Subject: Commerical Filter For Sale - Update Message-Id: <931117031049_73043.1704_DHS34-2@CompuServe.COM> 1. 9 Mhz SSB crystal filters. Made by Showa, model SF0922B. Center frequency is 9.000 MHz, Input / Output Z is 500 ohms. I recall these are 8 pole filters with a 2.2KHz BW. Size is 1 3/8 L x 3/4W x 13/16H. Filers are new and $48 each. 2. CW crystal filters. Made by Fox Tango, model YF91H250. Center frequency is 8999.3KHz, Input / Output Z is 500 ohms and the BW is 250Hz. These were made for the Yaesu FT301 or FT7B transceivers. Size is 1 9/16L x 3/4W x 13/16H. Filters are new and $58 each. 3. Mystery Filter. All I know is what is says on the box. Made by Collins, crystal filter, P/N 526701800, Type X420KD126, Customer P/N 293084500. Filter is new and 3L x 1 1/16W x 3/4H. Price is $10 or BO 4. Monolithic Crystal Filters by Motorola. The center frequency is 17.9MHz . These are about the size of HC18U crystals and have 3 wire terminals(In, Out, Gnd) and Input Output Z of 1500 ohms (matches NE602's). Following are specifications from some notes I had. The BW's are on the wide side. They would be great for AM, will eliminate the unwanted sideband for SSB or CW, can be followed by a narrow filter for added selectivity, or used as one of the filters in a pass band tuning schema. a) 6 pole 2 filter set ( uses a 2 pole and 4 pole filter in tandem). CF = 17.900Mhz, BW = +/- 5KHz @ 3 db and +/- 30KHz @ 80 db, Ripple 1.5 db and IL = 4 db Input/output Z = 1500 ohms. b) 4 pole 2 filter set (uses two 2 pole filters in tandem). CF = 17.900MHz, BW = +/- 5.5KHz @ 6 db and +/- 30KHz @ 64 db. Ripple = 1.5 db and IL = 3 db. Input/output Z = 1500 ohms. Filter sets are new and either set is $10 or BO. Contact ed@auratek.com or (617) 290-4800 x114 (day phone) From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 08:10:13 1993 Return-Path: id AA26881; Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:10:00 EST id AA05686; Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:10:22 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:10:22 EST From: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) Message-Id: <9311171310.AA05686@pd2> To: QRP@Think.COM, jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Subject: Re: Chuck's rig I'm for that. I'm always curious about how things are done, even if I don't build the thing. Doug, N4IJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 09:27:09 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/LAI-3.2) id AA27148; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:28:26 -0600 id AA13436; Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:26:01 CST id AA22564; Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:26:00 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 08:26:00 CST From: mstrong@raiders.micro.ti.com (Mike Strong) Message-Id: <9311171426.AA22564@raiders.micro> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Apologies to Chuck Ok, Chuck, sorry for mis-identifying your Backpacker rig in my previous post. Since he had a Backpacker 2 on display, and the picture of your rig was right next to the display rig, I assumed yours was a '2'. Just goes to show you that the old saying about assuming is correct. For those of you who asked, here are the addresses and phone numbers for Tejas RF Technology (I got the name of this company wrong in my previous post too. Geuss my memory is not what it once was!). The guy I talked to on Saturday was Bill Hickock, who is a really great guy. ( I do remember that :-)!). Mailing Address: P.O. Box 720331 Houston, Tx 77272-0331 Shipping Address: 10535 Rockley Road, Suite 103 Houston, Tx 77099 Telephone: (713) 879-9300 Fax: (713) 879-9494 Hours: M-F 0900 - 1700 Central Time The usual disclaimer. I am not associated in any way with Tejas RF Technology in any way, but thought it would be a good idea to 'spread the word'. 72 de KT5H, Mike mstrong@raiders.micro.ti.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 09:33:45 1993 Return-Path: <01H5EYWT5TMECMIWXT@tntech.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:35:22 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:35:22 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: good laugh To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5EYWT63A0CMIWXT@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" X-Vms-Cc: JMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well guys and gals, wasn't going to admitt it, but I am anyway. I finished up the NorCal 40 last nite.. was having a real bad day and should have stayed out of the shack.. guess I am to dumb to learn. I keep trying to believe in science and feel you should be able to have a bad day and not have it linked to doing really stupid things. Well .. checked the bottom of the board with my magnifying glass, didn't see any problems. I had hooked up the optional 3 parts to get rid of the birdie. plugged in the power supply and flipped the switch. Never seen so much smoke from such a small project in all my born days. Not being all that unfamiliar with the generation of high quantities of smoke using small components.. I immediately looked for a fried choke. Sure enough, fried RFC1.. BIG TIME.. Well traced a teeney weeney solder bridge to the modification and promptly unmodified it. Also didn't find the problem right away and fried my stock of chokes.. all sizes and all shapes. About had to keep the fire extinguisher handy. My son never enjoyed ham radio so much in the last 2 years as he did watching me turn on the power supply and watching the billows of smoke rise from the board and cover the work bench. He would go off and do something while a replaced the choke and tried to find the problem, and made me promise to call him the next time I was going to fry something. Boy was he disappointed when I turned it on and no smoke came out. Got up about 5:30 this morning and replaced the 3 ne602s and injected a signal into the rig with my antenna analyzer.. the receiver seems to work and the volume control, RIT and VFO seem to be doing something.. guess that is a good sign. Well got a little confident and plugged in a key and turned on the power.. RFC1 gone again...Is there any chance a mono plug could cause this to happen.. couldn't find any more bridges.. there were 2 or 3 electrolytic capacitors in the circuit that didn't have the polarity marked.. do they have to go in a certain way.. looked at the schematic and couldn't figure how it would make a difference.. but who knows... HELP. have a good day. 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 09:36:06 1993 Return-Path: <01H5EZBQN5MOCMITC5@tntech.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:37:48 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:37:48 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: NorCal 40 To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5EZBQP14YCMITC5@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" X-Vms-Cc: JMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT forgot, one more question.. how critical is the value of RFC1.. think I am off in value by several thousand percent at this point.. ran out of chokes..need to order some and a few more ne602s 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 10:15:18 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:14:44 -0500 From: krandy@hubcap.clemson.edu (randy kaufman) Message-Id: <9311171514.AA26898@hubcap.clemson.edu> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Semi-Kits I like Laura's idea of the semi-kit, containing PC board(s) and major semiconductors, or other more difficult-to-find parts (like coils?). My junque-box is crammed with "bread-and-butter" parts, and I can usually find (or make) knobs, cases, etc. Seems like it would be easier to 'kit a design, too. 73 Randy Kaufman WD4LUJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 11:07:12 1993 Return-Path: id AA22176; Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:07:00 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:07:00 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311171607.AA22176@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Bit Freaks Chuck's story of the Senir Major EE wanting to know what the large blue circular thing was reminds me of another story. Our company had hired six June brides (recent EE grads) and their new boss wanted them trained on the largest fiber optic transmission system we build. They asked me if I could do the training and how long it would take. I asked them why they were training recent grads with NO transmission systems experience on this system. To make a long story short, I ended up taking them from DC to light in a six week training course. During one phase they were required to build a cable based on a schematic I had given them. I supplied the connectors, wire, solder and iron and any other tools they needed then left them on their own for an hour. I returned to a bunch of melted DB25 connectors and only one that was working (precariously). My initial comment was "it looks like a bunch of engineers have been in here!"(smile)... Anyway, we spent the rest of the day learning how to strip wires, tin, solder and mount parts.... something NONE of them had learned at school. Mike Dooley KE4PC PS as an aside, I've been keeping track of these guys since the class, because this training is something we'd never done before or since. Today, the several engineers we hired at the same time who didn't go through the course are still engineers. The three of the six who are still with us are Product line managers or in senior engineering positions. I still say there's virtually no replacement for good, well structured, hands on training to give new hires the background they need when starting a job. Sorry if it seems I'm patting myself on the back, but I sure am proud of how well these guys have done. Mike msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 12:59:30 1993 Return-Path: id AA29247 for qrp@think.com; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:59:11 -0500 id AA380304 ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:37:29 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:32:14 GMT Message-Id: <21701@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Kits I discussed the inclusion of cabinets, etc, with one of the better-known kit manufacturers a few years ago. He had just started including silk-screened cabinets and prewound toroids. Personally, I think homemade gear should look homemade, and if you don't get to wind the toroids, what's the point of building a kit? You can get a machine to install the parts on a board, and another one to solder them. For that matter, you can get a machine to wind toroids, too, which is what he did! Mates, "dead bug," "ugly," or "ground-plane" construction is easy, compact and electrically better than pc boards. It's also faster and less expensive, and easier to modify. Compare the relative sizes of Roy Lewallen's prototype Backpacker and the pc-board-based versions available. You want hands-on instruction in the method? Throw an ARRL-approved CONVENTION (not a hamfest) and specify you want a Hq staffer who can demonstrate it to attend. I still have the little 12-meter xmtr I built to show at Dayton a few years ago sitting in front of me, and I had an incredibly compact 20-meter transceiver built by Zack Lau sitting on a corner of my keyboard, but the lab made me give it back. :> This method works well. Oh, and you don't have all those nasty chemicals to get rid of. Form the soldering irons into a circle.... 73, Jim From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 13:02:19 1993 Return-Path: id AA05211; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:02:14 EST id AA10455; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:02:37 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:02:37 EST From: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) Message-Id: <9311171802.AA10455@pd2> To: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Bit Freaks I thought you were going to say they laid you off after you trained them. Doug N4IJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 13:24:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA05338; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9311171824.AA05338@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:18 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: New Product Ideas To: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu Cc: qrp@Think.COM While waiting for the 4 o'clock bell, I have been trying to figure out new products for the radio amateur... Check these out and help me see if there would be a market.. 1. Electronic Turns Counters -- Since mechanical turns counters are getting expensive, how about a counting circuit, triggered by a collar on the shaft, feeding a 2 digit LCD display. Should be cheap enough.. Works for Antenna Tuners, Linear Amps, etc. 2. Coil winding jigs/kits. Set of coil winding forms, assortment of wire, and software. Input required inductance, current, etc. System says take form B, Wind 26 turns of Wire C. Spacing established by selecting the correct form.. More? Larry, KQ4BY From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 13:48:46 1993 Return-Path: id AA06539 for qrp@think.com; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:48:37 -0500 id AA380379 ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:26:56 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 18:18:35 GMT Message-Id: <21719@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: ETO Ad You're gonna love the ETO ad for the Alpha 87A amplifier on page 146 of December QST: "My ALPHA 87A is pure radio pleasure... [photo of grinning white male, wearing sunglasses and smoking a BIG cigar] "Life's too short for QRP!" Shown in the ad is K7SS, who has won a bunch of DX contests in the QRP category. Can you say _sellout_? The ad goes on to mention how helpful an amplifier is with the sunspots declining, and all the QRM on the low bands. Yeah, there's a lot of QRM so let's blast in some more! Can you write (snailmail, please) a letter to the editor? American Radio Relay League 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111-1494 attn: Brian Battles, Correspondence Editor 72/73, Jim, KR1S Who owns an SB-220 that hasn't been fired up for 2 years. From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 14:24:25 1993 Return-Path: id AA25099; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:23:24 -0500 Reply-To: diana@hsd.kodak.com id AA03228; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:17:13 -0500 id AA00242; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:18:56 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:18:56 EST From: diana@hsd.kodak.com (Gary Diana) Message-Id: <9311171918.AA00242@voit.hsd.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: kits vs homebrew I have to agree with Jim's (KR1S) comments on homebrewing versus kit building. Although kits have the advantage of a quick "open the box to operation cycle", I take lots more pride in my more "homebrew" approach. I start out with artwork and make my own PC boards, number one. This is fun and fairly easy. It also has the advantage of being about 1/10th the cost of commercially made boards. I get to choose what power, key, antenna, and audio jacks I want to use (standardize on). For example, 1/4" audio jacks on qrp equipment is too clunky to me. I love to take a plain old aluminum box and carefully lay out the controls and jacks. I use painstaking care to paint and letter the box... although homebrewed, the appearance resembles something more "professional" than homebrew! I am not to the point of being able to design my own equipment, but I think, when combined with the above steps, that is probably the ultimate in the homebrew-pride factor. Hats-off to the Haywards, NN1G, etc., who fill this major gap in my abilities. I also realize that like contesting, CW, RTTY, packet, QRP, QRO, etc, etc, that homebrewing/homebrewers come in all sizes and shapes, and what one ham likes another dislikes. This is just an explanation of what interests and motivates me, in this sliver of the hobby. 73 to all, and to all a good night. - Gary N2JGU From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 14:33:24 1993 Return-Path: id AA11097 for qrp@think.com; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:33:15 -0500 id AA380457 ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:16:28 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:14:41 GMT Message-Id: <21730@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: mvjf@mvubr.att.com, QRP@Think.COM Subject: ETO Ad, II "To the Editor, QST Sir: While I believe in a free marketplace, what kind of message does the ETO ad on page 145 of December _QST_ send to new hams? ('Life's too short for QRP!') Within the last year, QST devoted a considerable amount of editorial space to promoting mature attitudes and awareness about excessive power. Good antennas and operating skills can do more than high power to overcome `mediocre propagation,' and `QRM on the low bands' wouldn't be so hard to bear if fewer stations adopted the attitude that 1500-W output is a requirement, not the legal power limit. Including such an ad in the journal of the ARRL is the same as accepting cigarette advertising, while editorializing against smoking. 73. Sincerely, James E. Kearman, KR1S Life Member, ARRL" I sometimes get email complaining about something the League has done. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth (and my job)is; how about YOU? Or do you agree with the staffer who told me I was taking my avocation (QRP) too seriously? Here's that address again: American Radio Relay League 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111-1494 attn: Brian Battles, Correspondence Editor 72/73, Jim, KR1S ARRL Employee (this week, at least) From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 15:33:31 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA09616; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:33:20 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA16330; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:32:27 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA05914; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:32:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:32:26 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311172032.AA05914@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: ETO ad Jim, KR1S, and the gang, HMMMMMMMM!! K7SS w/amplifier & QRP. Could we have some conflict of interest. Maybe disqualification? :-) Brian Battles will get my letter. Maybe I should see if K7SS got any awards! :-) SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 15:38:13 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:34:00 EST From: mallick@ausable.crd.ge.com (John Mallick) Message-Id: <9311172034.AA24294@ausable.crd.Ge.Com> To: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil Cc: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT's message of Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:18 -0500 <9311171824.AA05338@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Subject: New Product Ideas Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:18 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) ...... 1. Electronic Turns Counters -- Since mechanical turns counters are getting expensive, how about a counting circuit, triggered by a collar on the shaft, feeding a 2 digit LCD display. Should be cheap enough.. Works for Antenna Tuners, Linear Amps, etc. ..... Larry, KQ4BY Mechanical turns counters have non-volatile memories. How about yours? You really need some sort of absolute encoder, so you can always go back to zero as well as tell the direction of rotation. But, since it is only one count per turn, it could be cheap. John WA1HNL From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 15:47:06 1993 Return-Path: id AA12807; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:46:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9311172046.AA12807@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:46:08 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: Re: New Product Ideas To: mallick@ausable.crd.ge.com Cc: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM X-Orig-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:34:00 EST X-Orig-From: mallick@ausable.crd.ge.com (John Mallick) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9311172034.AA24294@ausable.crd.Ge.Com> In your message of 17 Nov 1993 at 1538 EST, you write: > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:18 -0500 > From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) > > > Mechanical turns counters have non-volatile memories. How about > yours? You really need some sort of absolute encoder, so you can > always go back to zero as well as tell the direction of rotation. But, > since it is only one count per turn, it could be cheap. > Yep. That was one of my thoughts. But, if the device only uses a miniscule amount of current, you could just leave it on, all the time, like my watch.. Guess you would still need a reset button, for when you change the battery every five years... 73, Larry From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 15:49:17 1993 Return-Path: id AA27631; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 15:49:40 -0500 id AA06906; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:38:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:38:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9311172038.AA06906@bunny.gte.com> From: okas_rp%ncsd.dnet@gte.com To: "jkearman@arrl.org"%BUNNY.dnet@gte.com Cc: "qrp@think.com"%BUNNY.dnet@gte.com Subject: ETO vs QRP Jim and gang, I too saw the ad, albeit in a diffferent publication. I taken aback at the somewhat callous attitude toward qrp'ers in particular and the collective gestalt of hamdom in general. In this electronic age, do we really need to kill more trees sending snail.mail? Please post Brian Battles' email address so we can post our responsible comments and concerns in real-time. Our addresses are in the headers, let them serve as our signatures. Bob - N3MBY From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 16:41:34 1993 Return-Path: <@batdd6.pica.army.mil:klaudon@batdd6> 17 Nov 93 16:38 EST id AA12071; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:40:02 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:40:02 EST From: klaudon@PICA.ARMY.MIL Message-Id: <9311172140.AA12071@batdd6.batdd1.pica.army.mil> To: jkearman@arrl.org Subject: Your new job/qth Cc: qrp@Think.COM >"To the Editor, QST > >Sir: > >While I believe in a free marketplace, what kind of message does >the ETO ad on page 145 of December _QST_ send to new hams? ('Life's >too short for QRP!') Within the last year, QST devoted a considerable [.....] >James E. Kearman, KR1S >Life Member, ARRL" > >I sometimes get email complaining about something the League has >done. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth (and my job)is; >how about YOU? Or do you agree with the staffer who told me I was >taking my avocation (QRP) too seriously? > >72/73, Jim, KR1S >ARRL Employee (this week, at least) Well, Jim, if NAFTA passes today, then soon we're going to have to start calling you, "Jimeno, XE1xxx"!!! ------------------------------ Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land ------------------------------ From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 16:45:44 1993 Return-Path: id AA08284; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:45:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:45:27 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311172145.AA08284@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: QRP@Think.COM, jkearman@arrl.org, mvjf@mvubr.att.com Subject: Re: ETO Ad, II I must side with KR1S on this issue. About the only excuse for anyone to be using that sort of power is during a bona fide *emergency*. The rest of the time it ought to be throttled back, and I mean a LOT. Hams who feel that they ought to be *guaranteed* the ability to make instantaneous contact anywhere on the planet should try using the phone. That's what it is for. As for QST, I do think they should have thought about that ad being in poor taste and rejected it - but told the company that a better ad that is more sensitive to the issue could be accepted. Another point - such a piece of equipment is only likely to be affordable to those with some $$$$. I wonder what percentage of amateur ops (and we'll cut it down a bit by saying "folks who actually GET qst magazine") are likely to buy such an item. perhaps that ad space could have been better used advertising a more universaly desired product. Duane (who's never run over 75 watts in his LIFE.....) From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 16:48:01 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:42:07 EST From: "Henry T. Rand Jr." (FSAC-AAD) To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Big Amps and Ads Message-Id: <9311171642.aa27108@FSAC3.PICA.ARMY.MIL> I second Jim's comments. While I appreciate the engineering that went into and the capabilities of Alpha's products, the attitude that 1.5KW is a necessity is misguided. Good ops that I know that also own amps and who aren't QRPers usually run barefoot. A good set of antennas makes an amp totally unnecessary most of the time, even for long winded ragchewing types on SSB. I for one would much rather put my money into a better antenna than run more power and QRM more people in all compass directions rather than just in the direction of the beam heading. Hope you aren't jeopardizing your job Jim. I think the Alpha guys are understanding though. We used to have our booth in Dayton across the aisle from them. I always wanted to set up a 5 Watt QRP XMTR and let it cook into a dummy load with a wattmeter and a brick on the key. Never did it though. Would have made an interesting comparison in the arena. 72,73 Randy Randy AA2U Also ARRL Life Member rrand@pica.army.mil From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 16:58:34 1993 Return-Path: id AA26591; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 16:57:07 -0500 id AA14006; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:57:14 EST id AA12851; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:56:41 EST Message-Id: <9311172156.AA12851@kaos.ksr.com> id AA02690; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:56:40 EST To: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Cc: mallick@ausable.crd.ge.com, boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM, jfw@ksr.com Subject: Re: New Product Ideas In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:46:08 EST." <9311172046.AA12807@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:56:39 EST From: "John F. Woods" Actually, I think you can get serial EEPROMs for a couple of bucks. Of course, you need careful power-sequencing logic so you can avoid using up the ~10,000 write limit too quickly (ie only write when power goes away). From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:01:39 1993 Return-Path: id ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:56 PST id ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:20 PST id AA29857; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:15:32 PST Message-Id: <9311172115.AA29857@rodgers.rain.com> Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:10:12 pst From: lbrunson@rodgers.rain.com Organization: Rodgers Instrument Corp. To: qrp@Think.COM Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:12:39 PDT Subject: Re: New Product Ideas / Turns Counter X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) | From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) | While waiting for the 4 o'clock bell, I have been trying to figure out | new products for the radio amateur... Check these out and help me | see if there would be a market.. | | 1. Electronic Turns Counters -- Since mechanical turns counters | are getting expensive, how about a counting circuit, triggered by a | collar on the shaft, feeding a 2 digit LCD display. Should be cheap | enough.. Works for Antenna Tuners, Linear Amps, etc. | I use an old calculator with an external switch connected to the '+' key... (different calculators may require attachment to different keys). Then I push the number one and whenever the switch activates it adds one to the display. Of course, you could use different numbers if you wanted. There are lots of neat ways to expand this idea. Lowell Brunson (503) 681-0417 Rosenet: lbrunson@roland.co.jp Internet: lbrunson@rodgers.rain.com (preferred) lowell@techbook.com Packet Radio: KC7DX@K7IQI.OR.USA.NA From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:05:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA04293; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:01:22 CST id AA01073; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:11:04 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:11:04 CST From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Message-Id: <9311172211.AA01073@eda.mke.ab.com> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: ETO VS QRP My apologies to THE POOR GUY WHO RECEIVES THE STUFF AT QRP-REQUEST.I`LL GET THE ADDRESS RIGHT ONE OF THESE DAYS. I'm not sure but I think that amplifier in the ad can be driven to full output with only 5 watts in....Maybe k7ss used his argonaut.. 73, Brian AE9K From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:10:36 1993 Return-Path: id AA04511; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:06:48 CST id AA01076; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:16:30 CST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:16:30 CST From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Message-Id: <9311172216.AA01076@eda.mke.ab.com> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: NAFTA ----- Begin Included Message ----- From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 16:05:02 1993 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:40:02 EST From: klaudon@PICA.ARMY.MIL To: jkearman@arrl.org Subject: Your new job/qth Cc: qrp@Think.COM Content-Length: 818 >"To the Editor, QST > >Sir: > >While I believe in a free marketplace, what kind of message does >the ETO ad on page 145 of December _QST_ send to new hams? ('Life's >too short for QRP!') Within the last year, QST devoted a considerable [.....] >James E. Kearman, KR1S >Life Member, ARRL" > >I sometimes get email complaining about something the League has >done. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth (and my job)is; >how about YOU? Or do you agree with the staffer who told me I was >taking my avocation (QRP) too seriously? > >72/73, Jim, KR1S >ARRL Employee (this week, at least) Well, Jim, if NAFTA passes today, then soon we're going to have to start calling you, "Jimeno, XE1xxx"!!! ------------------------------ Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land ------------------------------ ----- End Included Message ----- Just think if NAFTA passes today We'll; have somewhere to dump all the old rigs in our basements. How ,any pesoes do you think a heathkit hw-100 is worth. (6146's not included). Who syays this is a bad thing adios AE9K From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:27:09 1993 Return-Path: id AA04036 for qrp@think.com; Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:26:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:36:23 -0500 From: jkearman@arrl.org Message-Id: <9311172226.AA04036@uu2.psi.com> id AA380932 ; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:15:51 EST Apparently-To: Bob, N3MBY says: > In this electronic age, do we really need to kill more trees > sending snail.mail? Please post Brian Battles' email address so we > can post our responsible comments and concerns in real-time. Our > addresses are in the headers, let them serve as our signatures. > Trust me, folks. If you want to have an effect, sacrifice a tree. The first few emailings are likely to get downloaded, the rest sent off to the bitbucket. No reflection on the editor, but paper still has more clout than electrons. You might CC: your Division directors. Addresses in QST, page 8. Since Bob asked, Brian's address is bbattles@arrl.org. Our FAX number is 203-665-7531. 72/73, Jim, KR1S -- jkearman@arrl.org From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:31:28 1993 Return-Path: id AA18606; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:29:44 MST id AA11385; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:29:49 MST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:29:49 MST From: Doug Datwyler Message-Id: <9311172229.AA11385@moons> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: QST: the Alpha ad Since it has been brought up as "who actually get QST", what about the when so we may indicate that we saw the ad and thought it to be in bad taste? Doug Datwyler WR7O I have run 100W, since my antenna is small, but haven't in a while. I subscribe to the idea that construction is "GOOD" datwyler@moons.sim.es.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 17:32:38 1993 Return-Path: id AA14912; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:32:30 HST id AA25394; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:32:30 HST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:32:30 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: qrp vs qro Message-Id: I have been reading the excellent book HISTORY OF QRP IN THE U.S. - early on in the book the author relates how QST was chastising amateurs on the wastefullness (and arrogance) of high power (this is back in the 20's). Thus, I shake my head in disbelief at Jim's fellow ARRL staff member chastising Jim for taking QRP so seriously. Jim, I would suggest you give your associate a copy of this wonderful book. I had to return the book to the library - when I get it back (couldn't renew it - have to wait) I will post the address of the publishing company. I HIGHLY recommend this easy reading and extremely informative book to every amateur, not just us qrp folks. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 18:14:16 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA06838; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:14:09 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA21740; Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:13:34 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA06188; Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:13:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:13:33 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311172313.AA06188@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: ETO and Bricks :-) Great writeup Randy. That would be cute. QRP rig with brick on key with output into dummy load. 1. How long will rig last? 2. How much will electric bill be? 3. How much pollution caused to the environment? 4. What radiation hazard does this generate? REAL Hams do it with minimum power required as directed by law. QRP or die! 73 SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 19:17:51 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA18265; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:17:32 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA20360; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:17:15 -0800 id AA10931; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:17:09 -0800 for @palladium.corp.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA03235; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:17:08 -0800 Message-Id: <9311180017.AA03235@wink.corp.sgi.com> To: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM Subject: [lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT): New Product Ideas] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:17:08 -0800 From: David Watson > 1. Electronic Turns Counters -- Since mechanical turns counters > are getting expensive, how about a counting circuit, triggered by a > collar on the shaft, feeding a 2 digit LCD display. Should be cheap > enough.. Works for Antenna Tuners, Linear Amps, etc. Nice idea! Please accept the following, offered naively by an acknowledged electronics neophyte. How about taking it one step further by measuring and digitally displaying an actual inductance value? I assume you'd have to do something special to avoid interference between your meter signal and the RF, but wouldn't it be worth it to get a direct, exact, repeatable value, independent of any mechanically induced variability in the inductance per turn? -David. KE6BWJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 21:02:06 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA00490; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:01:28 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 205933.5437; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:59:33 EST id AA03125; Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:49:54 PST Message-Id: <9311180149.AA03125@tss.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Why Lose Sleep over Big Amp Ads? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:49:34 -0800 From: tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET What's with all this righteous indignation over a bit of advertising? C'mon guys, lighten up. QRP is fun. QRO is fun. Ham radio is fun and that's why we do it. Let's live and let live and not let our hearts bleed all over an ad for a piece of equipment that some hams don't feel they need. Enjoy your ham radio activities and respect those of others. /Rick Tavan N6XI tavan@tss.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 22:37:09 1993 Return-Path: <01H5FQJF7AVK000090@UALR.EDU>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 21:35:53 CDT Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:16:00 +0000 From: bob.hilton@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Bob Hilton) Subject: ARGONAUT II To: qrp@Think.COM Reply-To: bob.hilton@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Bob Hilton) Message-Id: <25175.7.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet X-Envelope-To: qrp@think.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone here have experience with Ten Tec's Argonaut II? I thought I saw in QST's review that it wasn't up to Ten Tec's usual standards. Are any upgrades available that improve performance? Tnx ki5ez From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 22:49:27 1993 Return-Path: (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2 for QRP@Think.COM); Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:58:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 19:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ward Silver Subject: Re: ETO Ad To: Jim Kearman Cc: QRP@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <21719@jek> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think if you look closely, you can guess that there's a tongue in cheek in there somewhere, Jim, OM...lighten up!! Danny's won in QRP, Low Power, High Power, Single-Op, Multi-Op, CW, and SSB. Waddaya want already? To quote Foghorn Leghorn..."That's a joke, son!" dit dit Ward, N0AX (the picture is GREAT! and he DOES own the amp...) From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 22:57:51 1993 Return-Path: (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2 for qrp@think.com); Wed, 17 Nov 93 20:07:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ward Silver Subject: Re: ETO ad To: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311172032.AA05914@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Guys... It's supposed to be FUNNY...repeat after me...FUNNY... you remember...having FUN...laughing at the obviously ridiculousness of it?? Danny can win in any power class, any mode he chooses, and is doing QRP some serious good with some AMAZING scores, opening up some eyes. "It's a joke, son!" F. Leghorn Ward, N0AX From qrp-request@Think.COM Wed Nov 17 23:36:51 1993 Return-Path: id m0p016S-0001WVC; Wed, 17 Nov 93 23:36 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: Why Lose Sleep over Big Amp Ads? To: tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:36:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311180149.AA03125@tss.com> from "tavan@uunet.UU.NET" at Nov 17, 93 05:49:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 877 The worry is that it seems to sending a message that we all NEED to use a PA and we are incorrect in not using a PA... It smacks of CBism, which sez " POWER RULES " and " I'll stomp you flat 10-4" Its all nice and good that they finally are making gear that won't burn out when run at the advertised ratings...but the way they seem to be pushing it seems to spell out that one is a half-ham by not having it on and running. However, my self...I obtain burnout proofness by derating downwards... for example, a 6AQ5 ( or 6V6 ) is a 4 watt output tube A 2N2102 is a 750 m.w. output transistor and so forth. -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 00:42:16 1993 Return-Path: id AA12207; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 21:42:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 21:36:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jack Fleming Subject: Re: Why Lose Sleep over Big Amp Ads? To: tekbspa!tavan@uunet.uu.net Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311180149.AA03125@tss.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1993 tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET wrote: > > What's with all this righteous indignation over a bit of > advertising? C'mon guys, lighten up. QRP is fun. QRO is > fun. Ham radio is fun and that's why we do it. Let's live > and let live and not let our hearts bleed all over an ad for > a piece of equipment that some hams don't feel they need. > Enjoy your ham radio activities and respect those of others. > > /Rick Tavan N6XI > tavan@tss.com My thoughts exactly. This whining sounds like complaints over team mascots, politicians telling jokes, and people taking offense at the least provocation... I love QRP, but I also thought the shirts were funny. Relax. *************************************************************** Jack Fleming, WA0RJY oolon@eskimo.com 20148 6th Avenue NE Seattle, WA 98155 DON'T PANIC! *************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 00:46:52 1993 Return-Path: id AA13872; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:44 HST id AA16295; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: I wish it were a joke Message-Id: The high power folks stepping on us little guys is no joke. Just think if EVERYONE used qrp - can you imagine how pleasent the bands would be? That ad might be a joke but once the KW is fired up, it's no longer funny. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 01:56:03 1993 Return-Path: id AA28514; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:23:05 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:23:05 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311180623.AA28514@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: more bits >From doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com Wed Nov 17 12:02:42 1993 >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:02:37 EST >From: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) >Message-Id: <9311171802.AA10455@pd2> >To: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com, qrp@Think.COM >Subject: Re: Bit Freaks >Status: R > >I thought you were going to say they laid you off after you trained them. >Doug >N4IJ > I hadn't thought of that! Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 01:56:06 1993 Return-Path: id AA28508; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:22:19 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:22:19 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311180622.AA28508@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: bit stuff >Return-Path: >From: Doug Datwyler >Subject: Re: Bit Freaks >Status: R > >Good message about the training. I gave some to my lab instructors >about RG58 once. They were ammazed that the connector went on that >way. > >Doug Datwyler WR7O >datwyler@moons.sim.es.com HIHI I was amazed that we had a problem with people incorrectly building RG58 cable/conectors. It's incredible the things some senior people take for granted. They don't seem to remember when someone had to teach THEM how to build cables. Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 01:56:11 1993 Return-Path: id AA28511; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:22:43 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:22:43 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311180622.AA28511@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: bits >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:02:54 -0500 >Subject: Re: Bit Freaks >Status: R > >No kidding on that training bit. Most of the EE's I meet here at Purdue >wouldn't know the hot end of a soldering iron if it fell into their >laps! > >Duane Mantick >AAS EET 1979 One of my more interseting observations is that the really good engineers are the ones who learn both hardware and software. They're the ones who not only can design a piece of electronic equipment, but can write the software necessary to operate it (not much built today without a processor in it). We frequently get high school seniors in for a kind of career day. Whenever they come over to see me in my area I always tell them to major in one and minor in the other (hardware/software) because those are the folks who really go places. Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 01:56:14 1993 Return-Path: id AA28519; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:24:28 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:24:28 CST From: msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Michael S. Dooley) Message-Id: <9311180624.AA28519@aud.alcatel.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: another story OK, folks, here's my last story (at least for awhile). If Chuck and I keep this up we'll never get anything else done ! When I was working at Western Union several years ago, I not only did training, I did some Technical support. One day one of my recently trained students called. He was working on a GE Terminat 300 printer with a point to point MODEM that was being used to communicate with the mainframe at a college. He'd been called out to fix it cause it wouldn't talkto the mainframe. Anyway, he called me after three days of work for help. After the usual questions I found he'd a)realigned all the mechanical parts, b) replaced all the boards... twice, c) tested the RS232 port with a loopback plug. The Printer checked out OK, but was still unable to communicate. I asked him if he'd checked the MODEM and the circuit to the mainframe, which he said he had. He said he'd done a loopback using the test buttons on the MODEM and the guy at the mainframe saw the loop. I asked him to please check the MODEM again, not the circuit, the MODEM. He asked me to hold on a minute, then said he'd have to call me back. Well, I finally called him two weeks later and, you may have guessed, the MODEM was UNPLUGGED! I still smile when I think about the story 'cause it reminds me of the many times I've been lost in a group of trees trying to find the forest... Mike Dooley KE4PC msdooley@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 02:22:17 1993 Return-Path: X-Ns-Transport-Id: 08003700607BEF1C306A Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:34:36 PST From: David_Mensing.Roch817@xerox.com Subject: Another Questionable Hambrew Article To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: mensing.roch817@xerox.com Reply-To: David_Mensing.Roch817@xerox.com Message-Id: <"17-Nov-93 13:34:36 EST".*.David_Mensing.Roch817@Xerox.com> Hey Chuck, it would appear that the Zapper antenna article isn't the only Hambrew article with a suspicious origin. Check out the 'Variable Bandpass Audio Filter' article, pg 12. The schematic is almost identical to one that appears in the op-amp expirementer's handbook at Radio Shack. Now, I'm not upset that I could have found this information elsewhere, and I'm not trying to speak for Radio Shack. I am concerned that Hambrew didn't give credit to Radio Shack as the source of the design. It seems to me that if the Hambrew folks can't come up with original articles to fill their magazine then they shouldn't be in business. Just my to cents... -Dave- mensing.roch817@xerox.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 02:40:00 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for think.com!qrp); Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:39:45 -0800 id m0ozwGz-000037C; Wed, 17 Nov 93 23:26 GMT Message-Id: From: jerry@tr2.com Subject: Re: New Product Ideas To: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:26:53 +0000 (GMT) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311172046.AA12807@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> from "CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT" at Nov 17, 93 03:46:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1075 > > In your message of 17 Nov 1993 at 1538 EST, you write: > > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:24:18 -0500 > > From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) > > > > > > Mechanical turns counters have non-volatile memories. How about > > yours? You really need some sort of absolute encoder, **** This is easy. You just make a binary encoding disk. Such a disk would have conductive or optical bands on it. The innermost band would be half black/conductive/one, the other half white/insulating/zero. The next outer band would divide the circle into four sections 1-0-1-0, the band after that into eight. Four bands get you 16 unique positions, eight bands get you 256. And there is no EEPROM to worry about, and no battery backups. Jerry -- *************************************************************** * Jerry Kaidor jerry@tr2.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com * * KF6VB * *************************************************************** From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 07:13:20 1993 Return-Path: id AA14673; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:15:27 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Nov 1993 07:12:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 07:12:39 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311181212.AA02512@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. You know a few months ago, I read Chuck k5fo telling us all about the 40 meter band and how it is shrinking because of this and that and on and on. Well, at the time, I just shrugged my shoulders and said, well, that's progress. But lately, I have been very upset about this fact. I seems that there is an ever growing number of ve's (canadians not volunteer examineers) that are creeping down further and further with ssb into the cw zone. This is anoying because they all seem to be using ETO amps. %:-) Anyway, to make matters worse, the darn rtty/amtor/packtor/packet racket is creeping even further down than the arrl suggested plan. Now, I work rtty, amtor, but no hf packet (it stinks), so I feel somewhat unbiased. I guess the question I have is, is everyone else having the same problems as me or is it just my qth proximity to VE land? P.S. does anybody know what the VE's legal bottom end for SSB is on 40? From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 07:28:51 1993 Return-Path: id AA01826; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:29:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9311181229.AA01826@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:29:20 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: Re: New Product Ideas To: sutin@lick.UCSC.EDU Cc: boatanchors@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM X-Orig-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:35:33 PST X-Orig-From: sutin@lick.UCSC.EDU X-Orig-Message-Id: <9311172135.AA23720@lick.ucsc.edu> In your message of 17 Nov 1993 at 1636 EST, you write: > > > > 2. Coil winding jigs/kits. Set of coil winding forms, assortment > > What? For the total of 16 people who would want to do this? Who homebrews > anymore, anyway? :-> > But, isn't it a Catch-22 situation? No one homebrews because the parts are hard to find.. And, the parts are hard to find because no one builds anything! 73, Larry From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 08:52:30 1993 Return-Path: <@uga.cc.uga.edu:CURTIN@NKUVAX.BITNET> with BSMTP id 9154; Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:52:45 EST <01H5GE42Y0KG8Y5BIQ@NKUVAX.BITNET>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:50:41 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel J. Curtin" Subject: Re: ETO VS QRP To: QRP@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5GE42Z35E8Y5BIQ@NKUVAX.BITNET> X-Envelope-To: QRP@Think.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"QRP@Think.COM" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear QRPers, I have never run more than 200 W and probably never will, but with regards to the Alpha ads keep in mind the eternal words of Foghorn Leghorn,"I say, I say,...it's a joke, son!" 73, Dan KF4AV Daniel J. Curtin Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Northern Kentucky University Highland Heights, KY 41099-1700 CURTIN@NKUVAX.BITNET _._ .._. ...._ ._ ..._ From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 09:19:15 1993 Return-Path: <01H5GD1TLM2OCMIZMR@tntech.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:20:50 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:20:50 -0600 (CST) From: "JEFF M. GOLD" Subject: QRP for sale To: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5GD1TPD42CMIZMR@tntech.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"qrp@think.com" X-Vms-Cc: JMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT New 20 meter A&A engineering QRP transceiver: Portable, Single-signal superhet receiver with narrow CW crystal filter, VFO main and fine tuning, audio derived AGC and two stages fo audio filtering for listening comfort, 5 watts output power, semi-QSK TR switching with adjustable delay, sidetone generator with adjustable volume, perfect for backpacking, portable or home QTH use, built in speaker with plenty of audio, earphone jack. 6 X 7.25 X 3. Assembled, tested, works great off power supply or gell cell. $135 shipped US 72 Jeff, AC4HF From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 09:32:10 1993 Return-Path: id AA22131; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:32:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:32:06 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311181432.AA22131@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: qrp@Think.COM, tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re: Why Lose Sleep over Big Amp Ads? Said N6XI: "Enjoy your ham radio activities and respect those of others." When some of these clowns running megawatts and splattering all over what often seems like entire band segments start respecting MY right to perate without their interference, then maybe what you have suggested is possible. I have a hard time respecting those who care not one bit about anyone else...... Duane WB9OMC From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 10:28:09 1993 Return-Path: on Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:17:00 -0600. Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:13:49 +2483800 (??) From: Douglas J Renze Subject: ARRL e-mail addresses To: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311172216.AA01076@eda.mke.ab.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To whomever was recommending we flood the upper echelons of QST with e-mail about the anti-qrp ad, I *believe* ARRL email addresses are first-initial/last-name@arrl.org (ie, jkearman@arrl.org). At least, those I've seen post to the net seem to follow this formula. To whom would we mail? 73, Doug (not quite yet an ARRL member, and now not sure i he wants to be one). __ /| | Douglas J Renze, N0YVW | I just finished reading Joe Haldeman's "All \'o.O' | +1 319 337 4664 | My Sins Remembered." I've felt a lot of =(___)= | drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu | emotions from books, but this is the first U | Douglas-Renze@uiowa.edu | time I've felt the need to purge myself. From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 10:39:40 1993 Return-Path: (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10657; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:39:24 -0500 (queueing-rmail) id 103731.3349; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:37:31 EST id AA12260; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:02:03 EST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:02:03 EST From: epacyna@auratek.com (Edward Pacyna) Message-Id: <9311181502.AA12260@auratek.com> To: uunet!Think.COM!qrp@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Homebrew / QRP stuff For Sale Cc: ed@auratek.com Hi Folks I tried posting the stuff below to the QRP mail group via Compuserve several nights back. I received back a message of "not able to deliver". So will try from here at work. I'm trying to clear out some stuff I no longer will have time to use and thought some of you folks here might be interested as QRP / homebrew related (I usually post to "rec.radio.swap"). 73 Ed W1AAZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Receiver PCB's For Sale I have two sets of PCB boards to build a compact receiver. The boards are for a that orginally appeared in Ham Radio 11/83 and in the Radio Handbook by Editors and Engineers (Bill Orr W6SAI) in chapter 10 (Portable and Mobile Equipment). The boards are as follows. 1. Main board is 3 5/16" x 2" and has the circuitry for a grounded base JFet RF amp., a MOSFet mixer, a MOSFet IF amp., a MOSFet Product detector a LM386 audio amp. and an audio derived agc. 2. VFO board is 1 9/16" x 1 7/8" and has the circuitry for a FET hartley oscillator and a MOSFet buffer/amp. 3a BFO board is 9/16" x 1 1/4" and has the circuitry for a FET crystal oscillator. 3b BFO board is 1 3/16" x 1 1/16" and has the circuitry for a FET oscillator using a 455KHz ceramic resonator. 4. Active antenna board is 1 7/16" x 1 1/16" and has the circuitry for a MOSFet voltage probe antenna. Note: only needed if you want to use receiver with a whip antenna. There is a lot of flexibility with this receiver. It can be constructed very small enclosure, use varius band plans (i.e. 9MHz or 455KHz IF and any band (the contruction article is for 20/80M). It would make a nice receiver for travel, net monitoring, or for use with a a companion transmiter. I have two sets available as follows: 1. Board #'s 1, 2, 3a and 4 for $15 2. Board #'s 1,3b and 4 (no VFO board) for $12 Boards are soder plated and drilled and include a copy of articles above. Ed W1AAZ Reply to: ed@auratek.com or (617) 290-4800 x114 days ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Commerical Filters For Sale - Update 1. 9 Mhz SSB crystal filters. Made by Showa, model SF0922B. Center frequency is 9.000 MHz, Input / Output Z is 500 ohms. I recall these are 8 pole filters with a 2.2KHz BW. Size is 1 3/8 L x 3/4W x 13/16H. Filers are new and $48 each. 2. CW crystal filters. Made by Fox Tango, model YF91H250. Center frequency is 8999.3KHz, Input / Output Z is 500 ohms and the BW is 250Hz. These were made for the Yaesu FT301 or FT7B transceivers. Size is 1 9/16L x 3/4W x 13/16H. Filters are new and $58 each. 3. Mystery Filter. All I know is what is says on the box. Made by Collins, crystal filter, P/N 526701800, Type X420KD126, Customer P/N 293084500. Filter is new and 3L x 1 1/16W x 3/4H. Price is $10 or BO 4. Monolithic Crystal Filters by Motorola. The center frequency is 17.9MHz These are about the size of HC18U crystals and have 3 wire terminals(In, Out and Gnd) and Input/Output Z of 1500 ohms (perfect match to NE602's). Following are some specifications from some notes I have. The BW's are on the wide side. As is they would be great for AM, however they are useful to eliminate the unwanted sideband for SSB or CW, and can be followed by a narrow filter to obtain added selectivity, or used as one of the filters in a pass band tuning schema. a) 6 pole 2 filter set ( uses a 2 pole and 4 pole filter in tandem). CF = 17.900Mhz, BW = +/- 5KHz @ 3 db and +/- 30KHz @ 80 db, Ripple 1.5 db and IL = 4 db Input/output Z = 1500 ohms. b) 4 pole 2 filter set (uses two 2 pole filters in tandem). CF = 17.900MHz, BW = +/- 5.5KHz @ 6 db and +/- 30KHz @ 64 db. Ripple = 1.5 db and IL = 3 db. Input/output Z = 1500 ohms. Filter sets are new and either set is $10 or BO. Contact ed@auratek.com or (617) 290-4800 x114 (day phone) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: 40M QRP Transceiver The transceiver is based on the " 40 Meter Optimized QRP Transceiver" by W7EL See August 1980 QST, 1992 & 1993 ARRL Handbook or QRP Classics (2nd Edition). However, it has been further improved with the following changes. * A 5 pole HP filter has been cascaded with the 5 pole LP filter to form a wide bandpass filter. * A double tuned narrow band pass filter has been added in front of the RF port on the SBL-1 mixer. * A 7 element Elliptical LP filter has been added in the audio channel. The cutoff is 825 Hz with a shape factor of 1.4:1. * A complementary pair AF driver has been added to drive small speakers or 8 ohm earphones. * Power has been icreased to a full 5W output (adjustable with pot on PCB). The transceiver is homebrew, on a single PCB, and in an attractive black en- closure (6"W x 6"D x 2 1/2"H) with round edges, tilt up bail and alumimum front & back panels (neatly lettered with dry transfers). The transceiver features: * Front panel w/ tuning (7.00 to 7.055Mhz w/ 6:1 reduction drive), RIT, spot & volume controls, and a LED power on lite. * Back panel has power cable (diode polarity protected), antenna SO239, key jack (phono jack) and earphone/speaker jack (2 circuit mini jack). * Full QSK, stable VFO operation & sidetone (600 Hz) Price is $90 plus ship. Contact Ed Pacyna W1AAZ email: ed@auratek.com telephone (617)290-4800 x114 From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 11:11:09 1993 Return-Path: id AA16829 for qrp@think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:10:28 -0500 id AA382683 ; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:43:41 EST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:05:19 GMT Message-Id: <21884@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: History of QRP Jeff, NH6IL, mentioned this book by Adrian Weiss, W0RSP. He self published it, under the imprint of The Milliwatt Press. I think he still has copies of this book; contact him via the Callbook I guess. Ham Radio Bookstore was dumping them at Dayton a few years ago for $5 (!) and I grabbed a few, all but one of which I gave away. In my opinion, there has never been a definite Headquarters stance on QRP. Headquarters and the League supports the regulation requiring minimum power to complete the communication. It is not a good idea to voluntarily give up rights, and the League would probably resist any changes in the regs that would diminish the legal limit. There ARE occasions where 1500 W is useful (aren't there?). Recently, the League ran a theme issue of QST, dedicated to reducing power. Those of you who are members (ahem!) will recall the cover photo of a POWER knob on a transceiver. We run more pages of QRP equipment articles than all the other US ham magazines put together, and I'm counting _QRP Quarterly_. So, the League can't be said to be anti-QRP, or even apathetic. On the other hand, this isn't QRP-ARCI, so we don't have a pro-QRP agenda to the exclusion of QRO interests. What we receive in the way of manuscripts plays a major role in determining what we print. It costs a lot more to pay a staffer to write an article than it does to pay you for one. So that's not a good alternative. On the other hand, the editorial staff is very pro QRP, so they would certainly look favorably upon any submission. The trouble comes when you look at the eight 40-m rig of the year. As the League, we need to keep a balance. We haven't published an HF amp construction project in years! The point of this rambling discourse is, while there is no formal determination to devote a greater percentage of time and page space to QRP, a good article on a subject that hasn't been done recently has a better than average chance of being accepted. I don't think this policy is any different than it was back in the 20s and 30s. From time to time back then, one or another HQ staffer took an interest in low-power operation, when many other hams were trying to see how much power they could squeeze out of a tube. Weiss and others have mistaken these articles for League policy, when in fact they may have been only the policy of the authors; the editors may not have objected, but they may not have had strong positive feelings either. If I write an article about QRP and it gets into _QST_, that doesn't mean the League's policy has shifted. Yes, sometimes policy drives _QST_ content, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Despite our efforts, there is an attitude in the general amateur population that QRPers are some weird bunch of people that shouldn't be taken seriously. We QRPers have an image problem, and K7SS did nothing to improve it by posing for that ad. Then again, there are QRPers and there are people who run QRP, just as there are pianists and people who play the piano. I've been encouraging a few well-know QRPers/writers to write about QRP from the philosophical standpoint, but haven't seen any manuscripts. We don't need anymore how to or construction articles, we need WHY articles, so the kind of person who succeeds in QRP (it's not for everyone) will recognize us. I hope to use this ad to stimulate QRPers to stand up and make some noise. I don't have to look at the ad, I can turn the page. I could buy every QRP rig at Dayton for the cost of an Alpha amp; that's a hobby item? I'd like to raise the consciousness of the heavy-metal crowd, and get back some respect for what QRPers, who exemplify all that is good in ham radio, are doing. I also hate to see potential QRPers (and potential hams/HF ops) paralyzed by the fear that you ain't worth squat if you don't run at least 100 watts all the time. A concerted letter-writing campaign will at least demonstrate that QRPers aren't taking this in silence. You can always write to other publishers, too. Both _CQ_ and _73_ make much of their QRP coverage. Let 'em know we're QRPers because we don't need the security blanket of QRO, and we don't have to go around bashing others to feel good about ourselves! These are my personal thoughts. I am in no position to make League policy; that's done by the elected Board. These remarks may not be quoted or paraphrased anywhere without my permission. Some of you have expressed concern, lest I get sacked for this. Thanks. While it's probably not good policy to have employees stirring up the members. I've explained that I don't think there is any intent here, but some consciousness raising is needed. Nobody else at HQ has elected himself or herself an ombudsperson for QRPers, and I think QRPers need one at HQ, so I'm it for now. I also think too many people complain when the means for change is right in their hands, so I'm encouraging you to speak out. This is a fairly reasonable place to work in that regard, so I'm not concerned. 72/73, Jim, KR1S From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 11:38:46 1993 Return-Path: id AA14450; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:37:16 -0600 for qrp@think.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:23:12 -0600 (CST) From: Peter Hardie Subject: Re: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. To: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <199311181212.AA02512@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Brad Mitchell wrote: > P.S. does anybody know what the VE's legal bottom end for SSB is on 40? The only restriction on Canadian amateurs in any band is bandwidth. For all HF bands this restriction is 6kHz, except in the 30m band where it is 1kHz and in the 10m band where it is 20kHz(!). There are no sub-bands. We used to be regulated by mode and sub-bands. When DOC suggested the change they commented that the existing sub-bands would be maintained by "gentleman's agreement" among amateurs who were good at policing themselves. I responded that this was nonsense because without legal regulation there was absolutely no way to force anyone to observe a so-called gentleman's agreement. I also predicted that amateurs using SSB would eventually move down into the RTTY/CW portion of the bands and cause problems. Pete ve5va.qrp@usask.ca From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 11:56:52 1993 Return-Path: id AA14966; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:56:07 -0600 for qrp@Think.COM Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:44:47 -0600 (CST) From: Peter Hardie Subject: Re: New Product Ideas To: jerry@tr2.com Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1993 jerry@tr2.com wrote: > **** This is easy. You just make a binary encoding disk. Make sure that the encoding is not pure binary or you could end up with serious problems in reading the current position. A pure binary encoding would have the "all zeroes" and "all ones" codes adjacent to each other. It is very difficult to manufacture such a disk so that the change from all ones to all zeroes (or vice versa) will be read correctly. As the change occurs, some of the bits will read as ones and some as zeroes giving a wildly incorrect indication of the position. This problem will occur wherever more than one bit changes state at the same time. A Gray code should be used such that the change from one position to the next involves only one bit change in the encoded number. Pete ve5va.qrp@usask.ca From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 12:03:53 1993 Return-Path: id AA17170; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:03:40 PST id AA27526; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:03:37 PST id AA03226; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:04:55 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:04:55 PST From: Raymond.Anderson@EBay.Sun.COM (Ray Anderson) Message-Id: <9311181704.AA03226@uranium.EBay.Sun.COM> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: New Product Ideas Re: electronic dial counters Jerry Kaidor KF6VB writes: >**** This is easy. You just make a binary encoding disk. Such a disk >would have conductive or optical bands on it. The innermost band would be >half black/conductive/one, the other half white/insulating/zero. The >next outer band would divide the circle into four sections 1-0-1-0, >the band after that into eight. Four bands get you 16 unique positions, >eight bands get you 256. And there is no EEPROM to worry about, and no >battery backups. Jerry, Just to clarify your suggestion, are you proposing to drive the optical disk off of a gear arrangement (or something equivalent) so that the disk only turns a fraction of a turn for each turn of the dial shaft? When I first read you suggestion I first thought you were going to mount the disk on the dial shaft since no mention was made of mechanical reduction linkage between the shaft and the disk. It seems to me that such an arrangement wouldn't be of much use for this application as it wouldn't register multiple turns. Ray Anderson WB6TPU raymonda@uranium.ebay.sun.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 13:22:06 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311181820.AA11837@interval.interval.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:23:09 -0800 To: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) From: burdick@interval.com (Wayne Burdick) Subject: Q.R.O. and Q.R.P. Cc: qrp@Think.COM, roger@interval.com, ciavarin@mother.millipore.com Jim, I appreciate your QRP history and defense, and I'm sure that after the dust settles we'll all have learned something. Not to lighten things up too soon, but I thought this would be an appropriate time to reiterate my opinion on the subject. Q.R.Oscar and Q.R.Pete It happened in September, on a cold and stormy day; The mother of all contests was now nearly underway. Before the day was over, ears from Bonn to Surinam Would hear a battle rage between two different breeds of Ham. Oscar, a distinguished man of wisdom (and of wattage), Lit his pipe and surveyed his substantial shortwave cottage. "Let the games begin!" he cried, aglow with pride and power; And with a grin he swung his twenty-ton rotating tower. Not far away a man named Pete crouched low inside a tent, His sleeping bag was soggy and his penlight made him squint, Yet as he worked he smiled, twisting wires, tweaking pots, And soon his rig was bristling with two hundred milliwatts. Just after Zero, zero, Zero, zero (UTC), Both men tuned up on twenty and they listened carefully, But neither could believe his ears, and both began to pray: On 14020 they heard "DE ZA1A". Now Oscar moved up five Kc with dignity and class; He gripped his paddle deftly and prepared to pound some brass. The heterodynes were screeching, hungry birds caged in a zoo, But he could snag Albania in one call--maybe two. Pete took quite a different tack. He scanned for open space, Listening to the bedlam with a frown upon his face; He tugged his random wire to improve its ERP, And finally he found a place to sign "slash QRP." Well Oscar's monster, fire-breathing signal was the best, But Zed-A-1-A knew him, and felt sorry for the rest. With this in mind he listened for the meager and the brave, And ignored the QRO boys (who began to rant and rave). Soon the DX station heard a wimpy "QRP"; He fired off a "599" and waited patiently. But Pete was eating trailmix, now, and feeling quite dejected; Being called by rare DX was not what he expected. Oscar heard the call and moved in closer for the kill, Yet when he thought his turn had come the Q-so lingered still: "So how much are you running?" "A quarter watt or less." "A homebrew rig?" "My own design, or mostly, I confess." "Well I'm a QRP fan, too; good attitude to foster," Then ZA1A signed and said, "OK, it's your turn, Oscar." On Sunday Pete packed up his gear, his low-watt mission done. (Birds who'd perched upon HIS wire would live to tell their young.) Pete surveyed the hills and fields, a wondrous sight to feast on; Then he stuffed himself into his trusty, rusty Nissan. And Oscar? He had ruled the night with clear, demonic vision; Slicing QRM with his unleashed atomic fission. But near the stroke of twelve, he cut his drive by two dB, Then worked some rare DX and said, "Not bad for QRP!" Wayne, N6KR From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 13:29:58 1993 Return-Path: id AA04105 for qrp@think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:28:57 -0500 id AA383042 ; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:12:05 EST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:09:16 GMT Message-Id: <21927@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: qrp@Think.COM, drenze@Think.COM Subject: Re: ARRL e-mail addresses Don't avoid joining the League over this ad! One page of advertising vs hundreds of pages and several books devoted to QRP is insignificant. Every ham should be a member of the League. Quitting or refusing to join in "protest" is a hollow victory. It's the paid-up members who decide what happens. The only reason there are no diehard QRPers on the Board is because QRPers haven't tried to elect one. I've said it before and I'll say it again: 30 people could change the direction of the League. Two from each Division could go to hamfest ARRL forums and complain about something; if what they said made sense, the Director would take note. When the Directors got together, they'd all be talking about that issue, and it might happen. It's easy to say "Oh, those boneheads at the League, I want no part of them." Wayne Green encourages you to keep in touch with your Director, and that's one thing Wayne and I agree on! You can't win if you don't play. Anyone who would like a League membership application is encouraged to send me his or her mailing address and I'll personally send you one. 73, Jim From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 13:37:48 1993 Return-Path: <01H5GO1PO88O9ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:35:38 EST Date: 18 Nov 1993 13:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" Subject: Re: Why Lose Sleep over Big Amp Ads? To: tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET Cc: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5GO1PO88Q9ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"tekbspa!tavan@uunet.UU.NET" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT here here! From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 13:47:43 1993 Return-Path: <01H5GOB9MCEO9ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:45:56 EST Date: 18 Nov 1993 13:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" Subject: Re: I wish it were a joke To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Cc: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5GOB9MM1U9ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thank the Lord, there's room for all of us qrp-er's and qro_er's on the ham bands. If all of us ran qrp, the ham bands would be crawling with intruders. Even--dare I say it?--qro has its place. &2.518416 Don Coleman, W1VOQ From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:05:47 1993 Return-Path: Nov 1993 13:04:29 CST 13:03:06 GMT-5 From: "Kevin Anderson" Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL To: boatanchor@gnu.ai.mit.edu, qrp@Think.COM Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:02:38 GMT-500 Subject: New Hamdom Blues Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Message-Id: <2ECBB150966@augustana.edu> I must be reading to much the e-mail on these groups and the bickering on Usenet, because they, and the cloudy weather we've had here, brought this terribly written, negative poem to my mind today. Kevin Anderson, KB9IUA, gganderson@augustana.edu ---------------------------------------------------- New Hamdom Blues (or Is there such a thing as a friendly, enjoyable hobby of Amateur Radio?) Here I sit, relatively new to hamdom, KB9IUA is the untried call the FCC gave me. Reading countless mail, ads, and Usenet groups, With people on all sides telling me how to be. My story begins in the 1970s, as KBDI 7204, a CBer for a short time, and a listener, of shortwave that is, using my dad's Halli S-38 from the early 50s. I'd listen to BBC, VOA, ham sideband, and the like, Now they tell me AFRS (Armed Forces Radio Service) has gone the way of satellite. Oh how I'd sit there, huddled in my cold basement room, hearing voices from afar, crackling with vacuum tubes the only light. My high school CB days were short, using a radio borrowed from my older brother. Oh how my signal howled, as my friends told me-- it turns out the car door cut the coaxial cover. Today, nearly 20 years later, I a rediscovered radio much different than it was back then. With new license structures, packet, etc. and bickering, bickering around ever bend. Code as a requirement for access to HF is the question debated on rec.radio.amateur.ad naseum. "Why do we need code? I just want to talk." "CW is dead. No it's not" all given loudly, like burning magnesium. Bash the League, bash FCC. "Amateur radio is a hobby, not a service." Pronouncements made. Defenses given. Back and forth it goes, making everyone nervous. Now I want to try QRP. Low power, low impact, low cost radio has always interested me, even in this age of video. But QRP is under the gun, with amplifier this, beam antenna that. And you can't use CW in the bands anymore, as you fight the SSB, data, and big broadcasters bat. I'm proud of my Novice license, and I want to make the most of it privileges, but, Oh, no, you must upgrade that ticket, we can't have you playing around in the castoff ditches. I didn't want the N9xxx call, as at first I wasn't interested in that VHF-only mode, but now I don't want it, even though I might try packet, 'cause I would be forever branded that plague of "no code". Surely I must also be an outcast, because I didn't just study the question pools, instead I read all the books I could, learned theory I did, but I'm by my call, KB9IUA, I'm still labeled a fool. Now I seem to have a home among the boatanchor crowd, but I've come into the hobby too late, as the death knell seems to have sounded, parts of hard to come by to fix that hollow state. Solid state is now king, ICs, op amps, and NE-602s, now drive that direct conversion or cascade-filtered appliance-operated digital tool. Now it's dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. Everywhere I turn is a minefield, narrowing and changing the hobby I first new, as everyone has weapons ready to wield. I'm told by advertisers what to buy, yet I have no way to tell them I just don't have money. Those HTs, computers, or Icoms are rich man's toys, and that just isn't funny. If it's not that, then its the local laws on how wide or how high, if even at all, that antenna can be put in the sky. Now I'm an intelligent person, I assume, So can make up my own mind about things, but it is still disconcerting, the amount of bickering (?) that takes place in the wings. To end this mindless and sad poem, let me finish with this plea, let's all get together, congenial as can be, or end this hobby by returning us to the sea. ------------------- end (about time) ------------------ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson, Geography Dept., Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201 USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: gganderson@augustana.edu or kla@helios.augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:06:37 1993 Return-Path: id AA04833; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:06:22 HST id AA03505; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:06:21 HST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 9:06:20 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Dan: it's no joke! Message-Id: Dan et al, As I said yesterday, the ad may be a joke but those KW's on 40M is no joke; they are a real problem for us MW'ers (milliwatters - you 5W guys are QRO to me!). And who in the world is Foghorn Leghorn? Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:27:31 1993 Return-Path: id AA14189; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:27:09 HST id AA04568; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:27:07 HST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 9:27:07 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM: Returned mail] Message-Id: Each time I post an article to the QRP group I get this error msg - can someone please correct this? Jeff --------------- Date: 18 Nov 93 12:26:14 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Message-Id: <9311181328.av02697@ncrhub1.NCR.COM> Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- The name 'twebb' is similar to the following 6 names. Consider resending your message using one of them. Address: Herb.Fuller@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Don.Thurber@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Jimmie.Hebert@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: PC Systems Address: Ted.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Brad.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: CSD Address: Dennis.Herr@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu!jherman Thu Nov 18 02:00:44 1993 remote from ncrhub1 Return-Path: id AA13872; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:44 HST id AA16295; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@think.com Subject: I wish it were a joke Message-Id: The high power folks stepping on us little guys is no joke. Just think if EVERYONE used qrp - can you imagine how pleasent the bands would be? That ad might be a joke but once the KW is fired up, it's no longer funny. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:43:21 1993 Return-Path: <01H5GQ68OCBW9ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:40:12 EST Date: 18 Nov 1993 14:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" Subject: Re: I wish it were a joke To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Cc: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5GQ68OLZ29ATTNZ@fair1.fairfield.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A very good idea about putting thos qro'er's on the band edges. Here on the mainland, it's being done at 3999 khz. But at the low ends of the cw bands, where the qrp'ing can be really good, the kw boys are already doing a wicked job on us, along with lots of high-powered commercial rtty stations. What can I tell you? It's a losin' fight! 72.787355 W1VOQ From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:48:38 1993 Return-Path: id AA28021; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:48:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:48:29 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311181948.AA28021@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: drenze@Think.COM, jkearman@arrl.org, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: ARRL e-mail addresses I can't resist being a smart-ass now and then... :-) Said KR1S: 30 people could change the direction of the League. You mean so few members actually vote? :-) :-) :-) Note liberal use of smileys...... Now only slightly LESS facetiously..... Gee, maybe that means that we QRP types ought to get together and stage a coup de tat, an infiltration if you will. Put QRPers in all the division director and board positions....then take over the FCC! with a smile, Duane/WB9OMC From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 14:59:09 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA20371; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:58:56 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA24118; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:19:41 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA07952; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:19:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:19:40 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311181919.AA07952@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Solder Wayne, N6KR, After seeing my NorCal 40, asked me what I used to clean the boards. Guess he thought I had done a fair job of soldering. :-) I use the 63/37 solder for all my work. See the 1994, 1993, ... ARRL Handbook, Construction Techniques Chapter 24 (Chptr 25 in the 1995 book) and the graph of temperatures and stuff. 63/37 does not have a 'plastic' phase and thus gives a nice shiney clean solder joint 99.9% of the time. Gotta keep the tip clean though. Here is the neat part. The flux is water soluable, thus cleans nicely with water and an old toothbrush. Make sure you get all the old tooth- paste outta the toothbrush though. :-) I did not do this, but can imagine what would happen. Someone told me the flux was peanut oil based. Maybe an expert in this group can comment on that 'factoid', or 'factless' piece of information. While I'm at it. Remember the problem I had with my favorite soldering iron? I knew you would, this group beat me to death on it. :-) I found the spare cord, so I'm back in business, but more importantly I found another tip. IF YOU CAN fit your favorite iron with this tip, go and get one. It's an UNGAR iron-plated tip. I don't have the part number, but you pick your favorite size. The one I have has the pyramid shaped tip. Works great for small boards and larger components too, like PL-259 connectors, etc. I use a 25-33W iron. The spare tip I just put on a Weller 30W iron and it works great. OK. All you newbies who wanna learn solid state design and construction techniques. Email to me. You gotta, just gotta have the following items: 1. interest, lots of interest 2. buy/own/beg/borrow/steal a copy of the 1994 ARRL Handbook or 1993, but 1994 is better, as I will refer to it's page numbers. 3. buy/own/..... a copy of Solid State Design for Radio Amateurs, also a ARRL pub. 4. calculator or slide rule or CRC tables :-) 5. some spare time each week, about two hours or so to do homework THERE WILL BE QUIZES KIDS. :-) 6. surplus parts, like toroids, NE602s, etc. will help The Chuck Adams University of Amateur Radio is about to begin. Commitment on my part to be met by commitment on your part. No quiters allowed at all. This course to be run via email. I get enough flak about traffic on qrp@think.com. :-) A Series of articles to appear in the QRPp Journal of NorCal Club. (Provided Editor approves). :-) They will not appear here and all material is copyrighted by Twilight Publishing Inc. and K5FO (me). We are going to do Ab Initio instruction. I assume you don't know squat and we'll start from there. Get your track shoes out. This will be theory and hardware. EOT dit dit SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 16:16:41 1993 Return-Path: id AA00512; Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:14:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:14:45 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311182114.AA00512@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: burdick@interval.com, jkearman@arrl.org Subject: Re: Q.R.O. and Q.R.P. Cc: ciavarin@mother.millipore.com, qrp@Think.COM, roger@interval.com That was absolutely delightful! I loved it, and forwarded it on to several hams here at work. Now to tie that in with KR1S's comments (which are well received here), how about we start by having somebody read this poem over W1AW..... :-) Or perhaps use it some night for CW practice from W1AW..... Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 16:44:52 1993 Return-Path: id AA01365; Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:44:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:44:29 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311182144.AA01365@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder RE: Chuck Adams School of Amateur Radio Chuck, I already have an AAS EET degree....do I get partial credit? :-) (plus 19 1/2 years experience as a ham.....) Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 16:53:18 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311182153.AA22052@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:53:16 EST From: Mark Shelhamer To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: What to buy??? QRPers -- It's getting to be holiday time, and I'm considering putting some QRP gear on my with list. My question to you all is this: what QRP transceiver do you recommend? I've seen reference to various kits here, and I would prefer a kit version. What about the A&A kit? How about the MFJ units? What are the good and bad points of these - are there any that I should definitely avoid? I'm looking for small. VFO control. Keyer included. I don't want to start a raging debate over anyone's favorite rig; I just want some basic info. Thanks es 73 Mark WA3YNO From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 16:54:27 1993 Return-Path: id AA14758; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:54:07 PST id AA06344; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:52:15 PST id AA753659701 Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:55:01 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:55:01 PST From: Gary_Thorburn_at_Notes-Gate@sceng.UB.com Message-Id: <9310187536.AA753659701@sceng.UB.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: New Hamdom Blues ... Civil etiquitte has not yet evolved for the use of the telephone, much less for E-mail. But even discounting for this, I must agree with Kevin (KB9IUA) regarding the level of anger I hear on the two ham-related mailing lists I subscribe to: info-hams and qrp@think.com. It's particularly surprising because we are reminded in all the new-ham literature, that such an etiquitte is expected of us on the air! Perhaps its compensation for being so polite and restrained on the bands ;-) I have been a ham for over a year, and I'm now awaiting my Advanced ticket. While I may have used my ticket more than Kevin, each time on the air brings real trepitation. Sometimes I'm just happy to be a shortwave listener. But I would encourage you, Kevin: 1) I have never encountered the temperature levels on the air, or meeting hams in person, that we find on the internet. 2) Join the ARRL. It is the only real omnibus organization, even if some wheels on the bus are squeakier than others. It needs you. 3) Focus on the facets of ham radio that really interest you, and ignore the others for the time being. That way you just might have an impact in that small area. ||/* || || Gary W. Thorburn gthorbur@ub.com KB1AIF (soon to be KD1??) || ||*/ From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 16:55:43 1993 Return-Path: id AA09480; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <9311181647.AA12426@itgmsm> From: laurahal@microsoft.com To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM, qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:47:00 PST X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Brad Mitchell asks: > I guess the question I have is, is everyone else having the same problems > as me or is it just my qth proximity to VE land? > > P.S. does anybody know what the VE's legal bottom end for SSB is on 40? Our legal bottom end for SSB on 40m is 7000 kHz. There are no legal HF band plans in Canada, only a gentleperson's agreement; the only legal restriction is the bandwidth of your signal (6 kHz for most of HF, 1 kHz for 30m) and your power output (determined by your level of theory qualification). Most of us follow the spirit of the U.S. band plans, if not the exact letter. Good neighbours and all that...it also helps to align our usage with our southern neighbours, making it easier to talk to y'all. 73 from Burnaby, laura VE7LDH From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 17:06:42 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:10:57 EST From: bapplega@isd.csc.com (Bob Applegate) id AA07441 for qrp@think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:10:57 EST Message-Id: <9311182210.AA07441@isd.csc.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: ETO ad: local reaction I'm a member of a fairly large club (250+ members) composed of mostly retired folks (so what else is new?). Last night was our meeting, and I mentioned the ETO ad to our Section Manager, who is certainly a great guy who has been more than patient listening to my comments in the past. His only comment was "Those QRPers should get a life!" Okay, he's a friend, but he might not get my vote for SM next time. I continued the conversation by mentioning all the hoopla ARRL has made recently about using minimal power to make a contact. His reply was that amps were needed for serious contest and DX work. When asked why a local QRPer (K2YY) was able to beat him in every contest they both operated in, the SM's reply was that K2YY was just a better contester. At that point, I said "Exactly!" and walked away. A few of the other folks at the meeting didn't think amps were necessary... they all run "psuedo-QRP" with their 100 watt rigs! This mindset is one of the reasons it's tough to get anyone but middle and upper class people to get involved with our hobby... our club recently had a "intro to ham radio" session at a school in downtown Camden, NJ, which is NOT a wonderful place. One of the young children made a comment like "wow, this sounds fun, but my parents can't afford all this fancy equipment, so I can't become a ham." We're doing a terrible job of showing how almost anyone can get into the hobby. If we do another session at the school this year, I'm going to take one of my homebuilt QRP rigs and tell them that a friendly ham and a bit of scrounging can put together a station for well under $100. Okay, enough babbling. If you really want to make your point about the dumb ETO ad, send reasonable and intelligent comments to Brian Battles and see if we can make ARRL see the light. 73 Bob WA2ZZX From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 19:39:44 1993 Return-Path: id AA01365; Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:44:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:44:29 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311182144.AA01365@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder RE: Chuck Adams School of Amateur Radio Chuck, I already have an AAS EET degree....do I get partial credit? :-) (plus 19 1/2 years experience as a ham.....) Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 19:50:00 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311182153.AA22052@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:53:16 EST From: Mark Shelhamer To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: What to buy??? QRPers -- It's getting to be holiday time, and I'm considering putting some QRP gear on my with list. My question to you all is this: what QRP transceiver do you recommend? I've seen reference to various kits here, and I would prefer a kit version. What about the A&A kit? How about the MFJ units? What are the good and bad points of these - are there any that I should definitely avoid? I'm looking for small. VFO control. Keyer included. I don't want to start a raging debate over anyone's favorite rig; I just want some basic info. Thanks es 73 Mark WA3YNO From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 20:20:26 1993 Return-Path: id AA09480; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <9311181647.AA12426@itgmsm> From: laurahal@microsoft.com To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM, qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:47:00 PST X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Brad Mitchell asks: > I guess the question I have is, is everyone else having the same problems > as me or is it just my qth proximity to VE land? > > P.S. does anybody know what the VE's legal bottom end for SSB is on 40? Our legal bottom end for SSB on 40m is 7000 kHz. There are no legal HF band plans in Canada, only a gentleperson's agreement; the only legal restriction is the bandwidth of your signal (6 kHz for most of HF, 1 kHz for 30m) and your power output (determined by your level of theory qualification). Most of us follow the spirit of the U.S. band plans, if not the exact letter. Good neighbours and all that...it also helps to align our usage with our southern neighbours, making it easier to talk to y'all. 73 from Burnaby, laura VE7LDH From qrp-request@Think.COM Thu Nov 18 20:30:44 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:10:57 EST From: bapplega@isd.csc.com (Bob Applegate) id AA07441 for qrp@think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:10:57 EST Message-Id: <9311182210.AA07441@isd.csc.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: ETO ad: local reaction I'm a member of a fairly large club (250+ members) composed of mostly retired folks (so what else is new?). Last night was our meeting, and I mentioned the ETO ad to our Section Manager, who is certainly a great guy who has been more than patient listening to my comments in the past. His only comment was "Those QRPers should get a life!" Okay, he's a friend, but he might not get my vote for SM next time. I continued the conversation by mentioning all the hoopla ARRL has made recently about using minimal power to make a contact. His reply was that amps were needed for serious contest and DX work. When asked why a local QRPer (K2YY) was able to beat him in every contest they both operated in, the SM's reply was that K2YY was just a better contester. At that point, I said "Exactly!" and walked away. A few of the other folks at the meeting didn't think amps were necessary... they all run "psuedo-QRP" with their 100 watt rigs! This mindset is one of the reasons it's tough to get anyone but middle and upper class people to get involved with our hobby... our club recently had a "intro to ham radio" session at a school in downtown Camden, NJ, which is NOT a wonderful place. One of the young children made a comment like "wow, this sounds fun, but my parents can't afford all this fancy equipment, so I can't become a ham." We're doing a terrible job of showing how almost anyone can get into the hobby. If we do another session at the school this year, I'm going to take one of my homebuilt QRP rigs and tell them that a friendly ham and a bit of scrounging can put together a station for well under $100. Okay, enough babbling. If you really want to make your point about the dumb ETO ad, send reasonable and intelligent comments to Brian Battles and see if we can make ARRL see the light. 73 Bob WA2ZZX From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 05:19:52 1993 Return-Path: id AA20640; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:36 +0100 id AA20989; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:23 +0100 From: martin.zurn@cen.jrc.it (Martin Zurn) Message-Id: <9311191019.AA20989@dac.ise.jrc.it> To: CQ-CONTEST@TGV.COM, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Pse ignore if ur not in Europe (EU Contest Reminder) Hi CW Fans, Hope to hear u in the EUCW test this weekend Times Sa 15-17,18-20Z So 7-9,10-12Z Exchange: RST/QTH/NAME/CW-CLUB/CLUB MBRSHIP NR Classes: QRO/QRP/non-mbrs/SWL "Clubs" are all member clubs of the EUCW (e.g. GQRP,HSC,VHSC,AGCW,UFT,FISTS...) Support ur local CW club and send in the log... (u'll sure find a detailed contest description somewhere. If not, drop me a line...) I'll be there in the QRP class 73 de IK2RMZ (599/VARESE/MARTIN/AGCW/897) From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 08:47:15 1993 Return-Path: id AA17173; Fri, 19 Nov 93 08:48:43 -0500 Reply-To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Nov 1993 08:44:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 08:44:25 -0500 From: Brad Mitchell Message-Id: <199311191344.AA03665@hobby1.cba.kodak.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. WOW! Thanks everybody for the responses, I would have included some, but I deleted them... anyway, I guess My worst fear is true, that the bottom of 40 m for Canadian Hams on SSB is 7.000 Mhz. Two of 4 responses were Canadians, and they expressed concern over the problem, and were obviously much more aware of it than I ever was. Well, I hope that it doesn't get too out of control, but I'm having problems lately. I like 7057, or used to. I have a crystal on it for my spider. Also I thought I heard a ssb station on 7040 one day... But let's not accuse our friends accross the lake for all the qrm, could be dx, I don't know. 73 all, and happy qrping. Brad WB8YGG From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 08:57:39 1993 Return-Path: id AA14001; Fri, 19 Nov 93 08:49:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 08:49:17 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311191349.AA14001@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: bmitchel@CBA.Kodak.COM, laurahal@microsoft.com, qrp@Think.COM Subject: RE: The incredible shrinking 40 meter cw band. Laura said: "Most of us follow the spirit of the U.S. band plans, if not the exact letter. Good neighbours and all that...it also helps to align our usage with our southern neighbours, making it easier to talk to y'all." Speaking as one who tries to be one of those neighbors, I might add that in nearly 20 years of hamming *I* have never heard a single VE/VO or whatever canadian call that acted like such a bunch of jerks as some of my US counterparts. That doesn't mean that there aren't any, of course, but I dare say that I think we US hams could perhaps learn some manners from our neighbors to the north. It possibly also suggests that by "reserving" too many segments for this and that, it brings out defensiveness and hostility in some people. While I am not in favor of total anarchy on the bands - some organization is indeed helpful - I hear much clamoring for a "segment for this, a segment for that". I'm not sure how much a continued splintering of the bands is going to help...... Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 09:24:28 1993 Return-Path: id HAA10718; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 07:23:44 -0700 id AA28046; Fri, 19 Nov 93 07:24:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 07:24:57 -0700 From: tjf@beta.lanl.gov (Tom J Farish) Message-Id: <9311191424.AA28046@beta.lanl.gov> To: QRP@Think.COM, ms@space.mit.edu Subject: Re: What to buy??? I have homebrewed for a while and I am impressed with the MFJ units. Maybe I'm just not too good at building things, but I have a hard time making good receivers. For the money, it's hard to beat the assembled MFJ units. If I enjoyed thick brown smoke more (like Jeff Gold seems to), I'd build more. Anyway, I now own two MFJ CW rigs - one on 20m and one on 30 (both bought used). The 30m rig is one of the newer one and is definately better on audio than the older ones. I put in the optional keyer (you have to modify it for the usual Curtis keying...just a jumper to solder) and the 20m has the optional filter. I've also added a simple audio amp for the older 20m rig. All in all, they are small, easy to use, sensitive and inexpensive. Maybe if I bought of the $150-$200 kits folks are writing about, I'd fall in love with one and drop the MFJ's. We'll see. Happy Holidays! I'm going to buy myself a SWR analyzer for X-mas! Tom KJ5LT .. From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 09:47:57 1993 Return-Path: id AA14945; Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9311191447.AA14945@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:47:50 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Brake ? To: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com Cc: qrp@Think.COM X-Orig-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:47:06 GMT X-Orig-From: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com (BOB BERLYN) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9311121700141800@chowda.sbs.com> In your message of 13 Nov 1993 at 1249 EST, you write: > Hi every one ! > > Does any one know where I can find an small inexpensive (Cheap but not > poor quality) sheet metal brake sutable for making cabnets for my QRP > projects? > Yes, I keep forgetting to look in the catalog!! It's Northern something, an outfit that sells small gas engines, tools, trailer stuff, etc... I have it at home.. Will try to dig it out, this weekend.. 73, Larry, KQ4BY From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 10:15:04 1993 Return-Path: id AA02184 for qrp@think.com; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:14:20 -0500 id AA384016 ; Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:57:14 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 14:16:53 GMT Message-Id: <22042@jek> From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) To: qrp@Think.COM, jkearman@arrl.org, drenze@Think.COM.wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Re: Our current discussion topics Voting in ARRL elections may be a little better than in national elections, because you get to do it via the mail. Neither rain nor snow nor bribed clerics.... but I may be wrong; I haven't checked the statistics, nor do I intend to. Today is election day at ARRL, and the ballots are being opened and counted as I type this. The room is, of course, off limits to all but those involved in the process. I discovered this when I went to check my viewgraphs for a talk I'm giving tonight, and found the room with the screen in use! Anyway, I would really like to be a part of a ham radio that had a 100-W power limit worldwide, as I think it would be more exciting, but I know I will never see this. Someone mentioned keeping away the intruders. Well, do we need a few hundred contesters running 1500 W lined up on all the bands to do this? The only real benefit I see coming from all the high-power stuff is improved receiver front-end design! [An aside: A few of the staff QRPers had an idea for an ad counter to ETO's and Command Technologies' (yes, their ad says "Life's too short for QRP," but at least it doesn't have the obnoxious photo of K7SS). I won't give the gory details, but it involves a QROer who's just been terminated with extreme prejudice by his neighbor because of TVI. The caption: "Life's too short with QRO!"] When QRP-ARCI was founded, they defined QRP as 100 W output max. Adrian Weiss, author of Joy of QRP and History of QRP in the US, is credited with coining the term QRPp, meaning 5 W or less. (On CW, it was hard to tell if the other station was running 5 W or suffering a memory lapse.) Later, the club was taken over by the 5-W crowd, and you had to certify that you would never run more than 5 W. This brainstorm kept out people like Wes Hayward and Doug Demaw; Hayward was doing some moonbounce and Demaw was fooling around on 160 meters, both pursuits that justify running more than 5 W on occasion. Now the requirements are sane: an interest in 5 W operation, but you're allowed to run the legal limit if you feel the need to. This is crucial. I have friends (yep!) who are "experienced" hams with Extra class licenses, but they won't go on the air without the amplifier. It's not ignorance, it's lack of confidence. "I'm not sure I have the skills to make this QSO, so I need my afterburner to make sure." Some of these people have crises of faith and take the QRP pledge; the rest are probably lost. Ads that prey on the fears and insecurities (I guess all ads do) like the Alpha ad can damage the hobby, by scaring newcomers and confirming the anxieties of the "I can't do it alone" crowd. Oh, and some people are too impatient to wait for a QSO; they often make lousy pistol shooters, by the way. In History of QRP, Weiss talks about recapturing the thrills of his early QSOs by using QRP. I go along with that. Obviously, then, we have to ensure that people continue to have thrilling QSOs early in their careers, preferably with less-than-optimum equipment. That's how confidence is built. My first transmitter was QRP (6V6 osc), but in 1962, that was due to not having any money, rather than a desire to be a QRPer. Another way of looking at this is, that QRPers are looking for a challenge; QROers are looking for the easy way. Typical Novice transmitters in the 60s were crystal controlled (by law) and limited to 75 W input (also law). Thus, they were relatively inexpensive and easy to build. I think 75-100 W is about right for HF Novice/Tech-band operation. The beginner needs a little better signal/noise ratio when learning the trade, and that power level seems to work well. Maybe what we need initially, is a SIMPLE rig with detachable 100-W amp. Crystal control is cheap enough if you buy from CW Crystals; factoring in inflation, it's cheaper to buy FT-243s now than when I was a Novice. I have a ton of his crystals! Building a radio and making QSOs with it gets you hooked. As your skills improve, you can reduce power. This may be the best route to growing new QRPers in the future. Comments appreciated. Mine are Copyright ARRL, 1993. All rights reserved. 72/73, Jim, KR1S -- jkearman@arrl.org From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 10:29:58 1993 Return-Path: id AA12109; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 10:28:29 -0500 id AA04362; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:28:46 EST id AA24837; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:28:30 EST Message-Id: <9311191528.AA24837@kaos.ksr.com> id AA07019; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:28:29 EST To: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Cc: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:19:40 CST." <9311181919.AA07952@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:28:29 EST From: "John F. Woods" > OK. All you newbies who wanna learn solid state design and construction > techniques. Email to me. You gotta, just gotta have the following > items: > 1. interest, lots of interest > 2. buy/own/beg/borrow/steal a copy of the 1994 ARRL Handbook or > 1993, but 1994 is better, as I will refer to it's page numbers. > 3. buy/own/..... a copy of Solid State Design for Radio Amateurs, > also a ARRL pub. > 4. calculator or slide rule or CRC tables :-) > 5. some spare time each week, about two hours or so to do homework > THERE WILL BE QUIZES KIDS. :-) Oh, what the heck, I'll go for it. I'd like to think I'm probably more advanced than the intended audience, but this is probably a good way to find out what I don't know that I think I do :-). However...any chance I can get by on a 1992 Handbook? Some years ago, I discovered that, by sheer chance, I had bought a Handbook every four years since 1976, and I'd hate to break the pattern now :-). > 6. surplus parts, like toroids, NE602s, etc. will help You know, this actually gives me an idea for a USENET article (or heck, maybe even a print article): what to buy to have a "well stocked junque box", especially if you can splurge every now and then on e.g. new resistors instead of having to rely exclusively on junked 1950's TV sets... From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 10:31:13 1993 Return-Path: id AA11417; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:30:37 EST id AA10295; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:31:00 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:31:00 EST From: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) Message-Id: <9311191531.AA10295@pd2> To: QRP@Think.COM, ms@space.mit.edu, tjf@beta.lanl.gov Subject: Re: What to buy??? I have found that I could be successful in building stuff, receivers included, if I divide the thing up in as small blocks as possible, i.e., build a board that contains just the VFO or BFO or whatever and test it the best I can before I go to the next module. It saves a lot of trouble. If you don't have a lot of test equipment (like me) try and use things like your station transmitter to generate a signal. When testing transmitters (definitely a marginal method) I listen to the signal on my station receiver. I once had a problem with a TX I built - it kept blowing the final transistor PA. If I had a dummy load on it it seemed fine. As soon as I hooked it up to an antenna - pow! there went the PA stage. Well, to make a long story short, it turned out that the VFO was putting out all sorts of spurs. I think I could hear on the receiver, 6 or 8 of them on 20 meters alone. Who knows where else they were. Since the TX was broadbanded, it was passing all of that to the antenna. I had a filter on the output, but I'm sure that there were signals that were seeing high SWR from the antenna. Well, I never would have figured that out without listening to the signal. Now I have a scope that helps a lot. Of course a spectrum analyzer would be nice too. Maybe for Christmas? Fat chance! 73's Doug, N4IJ From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 10:34:24 1993 Return-Path: id AA16239; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:34:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:34:08 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311191534.AA16239@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: drenze@Think.COM.wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu, jkearman@arrl.org, qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Our current discussion topics Says Jim: " Maybe what we need initially, is a SIMPLE rig with detachable 100-W amp. " Great idea. For the relatively simple rig, I might ahve suggested the Uniden HR2510 (UN-modifed with some of the power hacks), but I gather that Uniden gave up on making it. Too bad, I am so pleased with mine as a "simple" rig, not outrageously expensive either (I've seen people spend WAY more). Whiel QRP diehards cringe at the idea of me calling it QRP (the needle on my tuner rarely registers over 10 watts) perhaps if there is QRP and QRPp, we can have a class for Uniden 2510/2600 and Radio Shack HTX100 owners... QRP+ :-) :-) well, 1/2 smiley anyway..... I have spoken to quite a few such folks on 10 meters. Maybe a QRP+ club for folks running less than 25 watts..... Duane wb9omc From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 10:56:31 1993 Return-Path: id AA09306; Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:52:43 CST id AA08433; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:02:27 CST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:02:27 CST From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Message-Id: <9311191602.AA08433@eda.mke.ab.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: QRO-QRP discusssion When Jim, KR1S, brought up the point about a detachable amp for low power rigs that reminded me that there was a time that Ten Tec made a 100 W amplifier for the argonaut. That in it self isn't news but I also remember that the dealers couldn't keep them on the shelves. New ones were always sold out and used ones didn't stay on the shelf long... My question is. If QRP ops thought so badly about QRO what were all these argonaut owners doing with these amplifiers and why can't you find any even today??? I Guess I'm tired of this thread...Let talk about fun stuff again... Does anyone use wooden cabinets or their rigs anymore? 73, Brian AE9K From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 11:04:02 1993 Return-Path: id AA09374; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:00:14 CST id AA08544; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:09:58 CST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:09:58 CST From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Message-Id: <9311191609.AA08544@eda.mke.ab.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder Chuck, Who manufactures that solder you use? We've been looking for a solder with a water soluble flux core for a while so we can get rid of tehe cans of Flux Off we've been using. Ours Techs are starting to act kind of strange and thier starting grow extra appendages from areas on their body you wouldn't expect to see any. Normally we wouldn`t care but we`re switching health care plans here and they expressed some concern about the in coherent behaviour of some of our employees. In the past we would just pass them off as managment trainees. 73, Brian AE9K From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 11:36:01 1993 Return-Path: id AA10859; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:35:31 EST Message-Id: <9311191635.AA10859@nms1.abb.com> (16.6/16.2) id AA01143; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:35:27 -0500 From: Tom_Jennings Subject: QRP-QRO To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailling list) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:35:26 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Hi, Just to add my $0.02. Last night on 40 cw I heard a very weak WB2 (228) so I called using 5 watts He answered and gave me a 319 but asked me to qro so I complied with 100 watts. You know what? No difference in signal! Well we had a rough time copying each other. I did mangage to get his QTH in Naples, Fl. I enjoyed the challenge. I like hunting for the weak guys and most of the time they come back. -- 73, TJ, kv2x ------------------------------------------------------------- | Thomas J. Jennings | Tel: (716) 273 7071 Development Engineer | Fax: (716) 273 7262 | ABB Process Automation | Post Office Box 22685 | Rochester, New York 14692-2685 | | ------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: jennings@jennings.rochny.uspra.abb.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 11:52:34 1993 Return-Path: id <2CED1D72@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:24:34 PST From: "Webb, Ted" To: QRP-Request Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:00 PST Message-Id: <2CED1D72@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Have to temp unsubscribe to clear the buffer and isolate some weird EMail traffic. I'll be back! ted / AC4CS From parish@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 11:56:41 1993 Return-Path: From: Edward Parish id AA24124; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:56:41 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:56:41 EST Message-Id: <9311191656.AA24124@thor.think.com> To: TWebb@dev2.clemsonsc.NCR.COM Cc: QRP@Think.COM In-Reply-To: "Webb, Ted"'s message of Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:00 PST <2CED1D72@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> Subject: Unsubscribe From: "Webb, Ted" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:19:00 PST Have to temp unsubscribe to clear the buffer and isolate some weird EMail traffic. I'll be back! ted / AC4CS I changed your mail address to Ted.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM from TWebb@clemsonSC.NCR.COM because of some mail weirdness. Couldn't resolve your name from some other peoples names, ones that were totally unrelated: To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu In-reply-to: Jeff Herman's message of Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:27:25 HST Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM: Returned mail] --text follows this line-- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:27:25 HST From: Jeff Herman hee hee hee - i got an error msg about the error msg. That's because you sent that one to QRP@think.com and not qrp-request@think.com. --------------- Received: from ncrclm by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id an20423; 18 Nov 93 15:48 EST Date: 18 Nov 93 15:50:09 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Message-Id: <9311181548.an20423@ncrhub1.NCR.COM> Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- The name 'twebb' is similar to the following 6 names. Consider resending your message using one of them. Address: Herb.Fuller@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Don.Thurber@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Jimmie.Hebert@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: PC Systems Address: Ted.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Brad.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: CSD Address: Dennis.Herr@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu!jherman Thu Nov 18 15:46:06 1993 remote from ncrhub1 Received: from ncrgw1 by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id ac18535; 18 Nov 93 15:33 EST Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 18 Nov 93 15:31:47 EST Received: by mail.think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:27:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from Think.COM by mail.think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:27:31 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:27:12 EST Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA14189; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:27:09 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA04568; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:27:07 HST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 9:27:07 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@think.com Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM: Returned mail] Message-Id: Each time I post an article to the QRP group I get this error msg - can someone please correct this? Jeff --------------- Received: from ncrclm by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id av02697; 18 Nov 93 13:28 EST Date: 18 Nov 93 12:26:14 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrclm.clemsonsc.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: jherman@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Message-Id: <9311181328.av02697@ncrhub1.NCR.COM> Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- The name 'twebb' is similar to the following 6 names. Consider resending your message using one of them. Address: Herb.Fuller@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Don.Thurber@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Jimmie.Hebert@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: PC Systems Address: Ted.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering Address: Brad.Webb@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: CSD Address: Dennis.Herr@ClemsonSC.NCR.COM Department: Engineering ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu!jherman Thu Nov 18 02:00:44 1993 remote from ncrhub1 Received: from ncrgw1 by ncrhub1.NCR.COM id ad18281; 18 Nov 93 1:59 EST Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 18 Nov 93 01:50:43 EST Received: by mail.think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:46:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from Think.COM by mail.think.com; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:46:52 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:46:50 EST Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA13872; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:44 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA16295; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:46:43 HST From: Jeff Herman To: QRP@think.com Subject: I wish it were a joke Message-Id: The high power folks stepping on us little guys is no joke. Just think if EVERYONE used qrp - can you imagine how pleasent the bands would be? That ad might be a joke but once the KW is fired up, it's no longer funny. Jeff NH6IL From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 12:15:18 1993 Return-Path: <01H5HZD7C3DC9ED9U1@fair1.fairfield.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 12:13:20 EST Date: 19 Nov 1993 12:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Brake ? To: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil Cc: qrp@Think.COM Message-Id: <01H5HZD7C3DE9ED9U1@fair1.fairfield.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"qrp@think.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I surely hope you do look up--and find--that reference to "Great Northern" something. Just another request to spur the quest. 72.343188 Don Coleman, W1VOQ From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 12:25:40 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311191725.AA14144@Early-Bird.Think.COM> with BSMTP id 8055; Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:25:21 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 09:24 PST To: adams@CHUCK.DALLAS.SGI.COM(Chuck Adams) Cc: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder From: Michael Stein I'll go for it.. > 2. buy/own/beg/borrow/steal a copy of the 1994 ARRL Handbook or > 1993, but 1994 is better, as I will refer to it's page numbers. 1965? 1982? 1988? Might be time for a new copy... > 6. surplus parts, like toroids, NE602s, etc. will help no NE602's, have to use something else... Wonder if the SBL-1's from the swap meet work... From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 12:37:54 1993 Return-Path: id <2CED2C68@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:28:24 PST From: "Webb, Ted" To: QRP-Request Subject: Unsubscribe request Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:28:00 PST Message-Id: <2CED2C68@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 No - the problem I'm experiencing is a strange one. Somewhere/somehow I've been added to an unrequested email list. I keep getting unwanted messages on unwanted subjects. We have not been able to isolate the source, so since I am subscribed to QRP, Boatanchors, and DX, plus the unknown, I'm temp unsubscribing to the ones I have control over so we can monitor any that come in, uninvited so to speak. Hopefully by Monday or Tuesday, we will have solved the problem. So, hang on to my address, but unsubscribe until I can get back to you. thanks, ted/ac4cs From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 13:41:14 1993 Return-Path: id AA08969; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:40:44 PST id AA00832; Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:40:41 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 10:40:41 PST From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Message-Id: <9311191840.AA00832@harley.tti.com> To: QRP@Think.COM Subject: Re: What to buy??? Mark Shelhamer wrote: + + What about the A&A kit? +How about the MFJ units? What are the good and bad points of these - +are there any that I should definitely avoid? I had the 30M A&A QRP kit. It worked very well until it broke due to coax braid coming off the PL259 connector and scrooching something. However, there are two downsides that I ran into: - A&A wasn't a whole lot of help helping me debug the p-roblem. - It doesn't have RIT. I don't consider the first point too severe, but I believe that RIT is mandatory. Paul From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 13:54:03 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:54:07 EST From: Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD) To: qrp@Think.COM Cc: cfishman@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Metal Brake Message-Id: <9311191354.aa05410@FSAC3.PICA.ARMY.MIL> You mean Northern Hydraulics From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 14:29:04 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0bVC-0001oXC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 14:28 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: wooden radios To: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:28:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311191602.AA08433@eda.mke.ab.com> from "Brian Cieslak" at Nov 19, 93 10:02:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1014 > I Guess I'm tired of this thread...Let talk about fun stuff again... > Does anyone use wooden cabinets or their rigs anymore? > > 73, > Brian > AE9K > YES! My #26 1 tube rig is built on a wood base...so is the powersupply. Up and coming will be a 1 tube receiver ( to go with #26 ) which will be on a wood base...but the front panel will have a hidden tin-foil shield to reduce 'hand capacity effects'. These are tho, all open air sets..... none yet made to go IN a real cabinet....as I'm no cabinet maker, it would come out so bad even the birds wouldn't use it for a house. By the way...Yeasu made a rig...ft-101-d (?) with a removable 100watt amp so one could run it as a 10 watt set. KA1ZAS has one ( but no longer uses it I guess ) -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 14:42:58 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0bie-0001oXC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 14:42 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: Our current discussion topics-2510 set To: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:42:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311191534.AA16239@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> from "Duane P Mantick" at Nov 19, 93 10:34:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1384 I had one of those 2510 things...got it 2nd hand and it had been messed with. So before I got it on the air, I had to readj it...remove some jumperwires that made it be a Chicken Band set...and return all the trimpots to where the set sent a signal rather than strange static. That set ran VERY nice at 4.5 watts.....3 trimpots at the rear half of the board have to do with ssb power, meter adjustments. 2 in the front half, control CW and the other 2 modes I disabled the unused modes and set it up to run 4.5 watts CW /SSB. Using SSB and an 8 ft wire laid across a bush, I got Estonia. (89)... so it must have worked! I also had the HDX100...radio shacks version ( almost same) of 2510. It was very easy to set up for 1 watt/ 5watts SSB/CW ... and already had the other modes removed. BOTH radios: The 'dial' light uses 1/2 amp of power! So anyone wanting to go super-portable, will want to add a switch ( or ckt that self shuts off after 30 sec?) to kill that light. Then it is actually feasable to run it on 8 D cell alkylines ( for short short TX and a whole day of Rx ... say 5% duty cycle, T-R wise.) -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 14:57:16 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0bw3-0001oXC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 14:56 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: What to buy???& using shack gear as test gear To: doug.snowden@ccd.harris.com (Doug Snowden) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:56:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311191531.AA10295@pd2> from "Doug Snowden" at Nov 19, 93 10:31:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1233 YES! I'm always using my Rx set to fish around for signals created by what I am working on....this includes my 6J7 regenerating receiver... which has no image problems! ## Yes...a scope helps...if it will run up to the freq yer on, you can look at the sine waves...adjust the sweep to see at least 10-20 of em in a row. ....see if EACH one is the same hight....if not, you have harmonix. Tuning the output, you can see the waves change, and that the power meter lies like a rug! That meter sez all kinds of stuff that just ain't happening. If you have vhf parasitics, a TV set will show you them. If you have low freq parasitics, the sine wave will look fuzzy and chubby. Now switch over to a slow sweep...like 20-60 cps and key the rig a lot. You'll see the wave shape and can tell if its 'right' or not. ( On QRP, a sharp make and break helps in being heard, while if very QRO, a soft make-break is good enough ... and you can see this on the scope) -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 15:01:50 1993 Return-Path: id AA22600; Fri, 19 Nov 93 15:01:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 15:01:45 -0500 From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Message-Id: <9311192001.AA22600@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> To: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com, wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Re: Our current discussion topics-2510 set Cc: qrp@Think.COM Yeah, for a long time I ran my 2510 on a 12volt 6.6 Amphour gelcell. It worked, although far from ideal. In an emergency, though, or for some limited portable use this would be dandy IFF you couild find a well-matching antenna. I have been known to take this rig mobile. I use that Radio Shack mag-mount antenna that trims well into 10 meters. You know, that radio has *always* worked better out of my car than at home..... :-) Duane From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 15:12:25 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0cAx-0001oXC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 15:11 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: 88mh toroids (Was: Re: Honeycomb coils) To: censun1!gc@uunet.UU.NET (Gary Chatters) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:11:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311191636.AA01444@fox.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Gary Chatters" at Nov 19, 93 11:36:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 329 Fair radio Sales still has a few...else ones that are similar. -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 16:02:44 1993 Return-Path: id AA26748; Fri, 19 Nov 93 15:58:35 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: "John A. Evans" Subject: Re: Solder To: Duane P Mantick Cc: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com, qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311182144.AA01365@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 719 OK, what about us former enlisted technicians who became electrical engineering officers ??? &^) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John A. Evans, Capt, USAF "My number one goal as a VHDL/EDA Engineer runner is to live long enough N3QOO Tech Plus !!! to place in my age group!!!" jaevans@clark.net Linux - the OS of choice !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once data encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have data encryption !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From parish@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 16:07:49 1993 Return-Path: From: Edward Parish id AA24891; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:07:47 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:07:47 EST Message-Id: <9311192107.AA24891@thor.think.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Recent Email Bruce, WT1M, who administers the QRP list is away in some sunny climate on vacation this week and next. I have agreed to administer the list in his absence. However, I have noticed that there have been quite a number of bounced mail messages that have been filling up my mail buffer lately. I am talking about 100's of messages. I administer other lists for ANSI and do not see the same order of magnitude of bad addresses and lunched mailers. So please, make sure that your mailer is working, your input buffers are not overflowing (you have disk space to receive mail), your email address is still valid, and if there are any changes to be made, please send them to qrp-request@think.com. Now back to your regularly scheduled program. Thanks. 73 Ed From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 17:22:18 1993 Return-Path: (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for think.com!qrp); Fri, 19 Nov 1993 17:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199311192224.AA23316@bulkrate.cc.bellcore.com> From: karayan@cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george) To: qrp@Think.COM Date: 19 Nov 1993 17:20 EST Subject: Fair Radio Sales Somebody mentioned Fair Radio Sales and their catalog and posted phone #s. I called and called and called, but they were always busy. Finally I got through via fax. I sent in a request for their catalog. That was abt 10 days ago. I have not received anything. Is there a charge for the catalog? ___________________________________________________________________ George Karayannopoulos N2OWO karayan@cc.bellcore.com Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's. From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 18:05:45 1993 Return-Path: id AA21078; Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9311192306.AA21078@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:06:21 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: Re: Our current discussion topics-2510 set To: qrp@Think.COM X-Orig-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 15:01:45 -0500 X-Orig-From: wb9omc@ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9311192001.AA22600@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> In your message of 19 Nov 1993 at 1629 EST, you write: > I have been known to take this rig mobile. I use that Radio Shack > mag-mount antenna that trims well into 10 meters. You know, that radio has > *always* worked better out of my car than at home..... :-) > That's why I bought the RS rig.. And, I agree with you.. Works better in the car!! Son of a gun! I'm a QRPer and didn't even know it...8-]] 72 (I can finally write that!), Larry From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 18:34:29 1993 Return-Path: id AA22673; Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:34:23 -0500 Message-Id: <9311192334.AA22673@wrdis01.robins.af.mil> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:34:23 -0500 From: lakeith@wrdis01.robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Brake ? To: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com Cc: qrp@Think.COM X-Orig-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:47:06 GMT X-Orig-From: bob.berlyn@chowda.sbs.com (BOB BERLYN) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9311121700141800@chowda.sbs.com> In your message of 13 Nov 1993 at 1249 EST, you write: > Hi every one ! > > Does any one know where I can find an small inexpensive (Cheap but not > poor quality) sheet metal brake sutable for making cabnets for my QRP > projects? > OK, Company is Northern Hydraulics, P. O. Box 1499, Burnsville, MN 55337-0499 1-800-533-5545 Item 15240, "Bendito" Heavy Duty Metal Bending Brake, $259.99 Looks good! I know nothing about these folks. I just get their catalogs. 73, Larry, KQ4BY From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 19:26:28 1993 Return-Path: id AA29940; Fri, 19 Nov 93 17:26:19 MST id AA03900; Fri, 19 Nov 93 17:26:18 MST id AA29138; Fri, 19 Nov 93 17:26:16 MST id AA00309; Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:25:43 CST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:25:43 CST From: rand@zeta.sps.mot.com (Rand Gray) Message-Id: <9311200025.AA00309@zeta.devtools> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Fair Radio Sales I wrote a letter to Fair Radio Sales requesting a catalog. It came about 6 weeks after I sent the letter. There is no charge, and it is always fun to flip through. -Rand W1GXN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rand Gray rand@zeta.sps.mot.com Motorola MCTG ..!oakhill!zeta!rand@cs.utexas.edu 6501 William Cannon Drive West phone: 512 891 3024 Austin, Texas 78735 USA fax: 512 891 2652 From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 19:27:10 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0g9L-0001hRC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:26 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: Fair Radio Sales 10 day wait+ To: karayan@cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos, george) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 19:26:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <199311192224.AA23316@bulkrate.cc.bellcore.com> from "karayannopoulos,george" at Nov 19, 93 05:20:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1069 > > Somebody mentioned Fair Radio Sales and their catalog and posted phone #s. > I called and called and called, but they were always busy. Finally I got > through via fax. I sent in a request for their catalog. That was abt 10 > days ago. I have not received anything. Is there a charge for the catalog? --- No. > ___________________________________________________________________ Altho their building is large, the staff is not. They have been S W A M P E D recently with orders...I didn't help either when I ordered a slew of odds and ends...(last month I think) This is just like CW Xtals ( W0LPS) .... had to wait 3 1/2 mo. for my xtals (he added a note explaining he was backlogged) Just hang in there... and if too much time passes, retry again. I got my free cat 3 weeks later from FRS -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube! From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 19:51:34 1993 Return-Path: id AA23025; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:51:24 PST id AA01004; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:51:22 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:51:22 PST From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Message-Id: <9311200051.AA01004@harley.tti.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Brake ? Larry Keith wrotee: +> Does any one know where I can find an small inexpensive (Cheap but not +> poor quality) sheet metal brake sutable for making cabnets for my QRP +> projects? +> +OK, Company is Northern Hydraulics, P. O. Box 1499, Burnsville, MN +55337-0499 1-800-533-5545 + +Item 15240, "Bendito" Heavy Duty Metal Bending Brake, $259.99 + +Looks good! + +I know nothing about these folks. I just get their catalogs. I've ordered a Leatherman's Tool from them with noi hassle. More important, someone I work with has ordered a bunch of times with no problem. From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 20:06:39 1993 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9311200106.AA07239@Early-Bird.Think.COM> Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:06:21 EST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:52:18 PST From: mont@ibmmail.COM To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Dumb question... I don't want to start a riot or anything, I've just been rather curious about something ever since I got my license. There is a lot of talk about the cw portions of the bands getting squashed by rtty/packet/ssb/... When I look at the band allocations and the sub- allocation for phone, and the suballocation for rtty & data, I can't help but notice that CW is allowed everywhere in the band. So, why do cw operators stick (like glued with crazy glue) to a small portion at the bottom end of the band? Hams using ssb on the 40 meter band get really squashed and wiped out when the AM broadcast stations start to skip. A lot of times there is not enough room for an ssb station between two AM stations. But there would be plenty of room for 1 or 2 cw stations... I've often thought about going up and sending a few CQs, but never had enough nerve. I just figured the SSB ops might start chewing me out. But then again, my narrow cw filter won't allow enough of their sig through to be able to understand them anyway... So what's the big deal? Or, is this too dumb a question I shouldn't even ask... tnx & 73, km6wt, mont@ibmmail.com or mont@netcom.com From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 21:31:22 1993 Return-Path: for qrp@think.com id AA09252; Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:31:16 -0800 for @sgi.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA28601; Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:31:04 -0600 for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:qrp@think.com id AA12734; Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:31:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:31:03 -0600 From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) Message-Id: <9311200231.AA12734@chuck.dallas.sgi.com> To: qrp@Think.COM Subject: Re: Solder Re: Solder Brian, AE9K, The solder that I use is Kester (tm) Sn63 Alloy Core 66 Flux 331 Diameter 0.031. I don't have the box to get other details. Litton, Des Plaines, Il 60018 is the company. I love the stuff myself and follow all the precautions of washing before eating anything after working with the stuff for hours. hasn't it no me effect all at. tid tid of5k ed 37 :-) SIG ------cut here---------- Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60 adams@sgi.com QRP ARCI Awards Chairman From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 21:38:31 1993 Return-Path: id AA20654; Fri, 19 Nov 93 21:38:26 -0500 (from nshore!seastar!jjw for qrp@think.com) id m0p0i6W-00017fC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 21:31 EST id m0p0ZZh-0001DRC; Fri, 19 Nov 93 11:24 CST Message-Id: From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch) Subject: Re: single sideband To: qrp@Think.COM (qrp mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:24:48 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: jjw@seastar.org Organization: Welch Research Laboratories X-Location: McHenry, ILLinois 60050-1461 Operating-System: Xenix 2.3.4 SysV/386 Lines: 24 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 985 > So: the question is: What kind of circuit will take a RF signal > anywhere between .5 MHz and 110 MHz, and generate a signal exactly 5KHz > higher, with excellent spurious rejection? It sounds like the SSB > "phasing" technique, but with a single fixed audio frequency instead > of a speech waveform. This would make the audio phase shifter trivial, > but because of the variable RF freq, the RF phase shifter would be > (IMHO) very hard to implement! The number of components in the > aluminum box is suprisingly small. > > Any insight? > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Doug Braun Intel Israel, Ltd. M/S: IDC1-41 > Tel: 011-972-4-655069 dbraun@inside.intel.com Possibly a PLL - I've seen (in the Signetics databook) a PLL quadrature generator. If it already is in 5 bands, this could also be using a PLL to generate the frequency, thus making it even easier. -- John Welch, N9JZW From qrp-request@Think.COM Fri Nov 19 21:54:45 1993 Return-Path: id m0p0iSk-0001s5C; Fri, 19 Nov 93 21:54 EST Message-Id: From: randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) Subject: Re: Dumb question...cw freqs To: mont@ibmmail.COM Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 21:54:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: qrp@Think.COM In-Reply-To: <9311200106.AA07239@Early-Bird.Think.COM> from "mont@ibmmail.COM" at Nov 19, 93 04:52:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1010 Well, to be polite, CW is kept mostly where CW-only (USA) is allowed. Then too, there are DX windows that are universally world-wide accepted as being on some such n so freqs, generally at the bottom of each band. Then there are those of us who only have Novice or Tech+ tickets and so there is a freq limit there.... The QRP calling freq's are on 3710kc and 7110kc, for 80 & 40 mtrs, altho, a QRPer will go where his ticket lets him go.....so same it seems, these SSBers and Honking Squawnking what ever they are's ( some are packet, amtor but,there are a few out there, that I think need an oil change). It's gotten so bad, I just don't get on between after-dusk, until past midnite. I get on before dusk, and well past midnite now. -- Randy KA1UNW If you get a shock while servicing your equipment, "Works for me!" randy@192.153.4.200 DON'T JUMP! -Peter Keyes You might break an expensive tube!